Moozy
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i was schedueled to take Step 2 Cs on 14th aug in Atlanta... i have applied for the visa thrice here in pakistan... the reason i was given the third time was that.. " your ultimate goal is to live and work in US if you get a j1 and then you will call your husband on Spouse visa, so your application has been denied." when i said" isn't that the legal immigration law, he replied.. yes it is but i am sorry.. you can go now, your case is not strong.
i just dont get it.. this is bullshit excuse...ECFMG requires us to take these exams so that we can get into Graduate Medical education.. if the Embassy has problem with that then ECFMG should stop conducting these exams so that there is no illusion for the IMG's... i have extended my exam date and will apply once more... this case is not the only one.. on my interview day , there were 7 othere doctors and all were denied the visas for the exam.. it is not easy to invest so much time & money and get nothing out of it.
any opinions.. what to do now...
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| bbb
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"Moozy" wrote:
i just dont get it.. this is bullshit excuse...ECFMG requires us to take these exams so that we can get into Graduate Medical education.. ...
You only have to take these exams if you are coming to the states for training.
In my 15 years of working in Internal Medicine residency programs, I have seen only 5-6 persons who have returned to their home country to help the people there. Only 5-6!!! Persons who absolutely flipping hated the USA ended up staying here - even though their home country was the best place in the world to live.
Also, is the embassy denying you because you aren't showing that you have enough real interest (financial, real estate, family committments) in your home country so that they know that you will be returning.
You are being denied because history is working against you, and others like you. It's sad, it sucks, but it's true.
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| daira
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Dear bbb!
Let me clarify a few things.
Only if you go to one of these countries then you ll find out US trained doctors in every state-owned or privates hospital, in big cities and in small cities. If people aren't going back to their countries from where all these doctors are coming from?
People do go back to their countries (atleast people from my country do). Its true that doctors stay here as well, BUT lets not skew the facts. People stay here because they are needed here. No doctor stays here on illegal status. Waivers programs were needed for the people of US, not for the welfare of these doctors. This country made waiver programs because they needed doctors in rural areas, where the 'sons of the land' didnt want to go and serve their own people. If this is the policy that 'everybody should go back then why J1 waivers?
Counselar officers are very friendly and generous to some country (esp European countries) in giving visas while at other places visa's are rejected without any sound reason. You can ask doctors from some european countries in your program about that.
All foreign graduates go through waiver programs and serve an average of 3-5 years in the rural areas and end-up getting settled in these areas, contributing to the healthcare structure in these areas. Let me tell you where I live, a med school developed for rural uplift. This year there were 40 graduates, none of them opted for residency in their own university program. All residents are FMGs. 70% physicians of the hospital are foreign grads. The VA hospital here is totally dependent on waiver programs to run its affairs.
The fact is that immigrants have contributed to make this country what it is today. This country is a country of immigrants and it ll remain so. That might not sound pleasant to some ears, but its true.
regards!
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| bbb
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Oh, don't get me wrong! I agree that immigrants made this country what it is today. I wouldn't be sitting here today if my great, great, grandparents hadn't decided to leave the old country, sell themselves into indentured servitude. I agree, it's all the people that I have met from all over the states, those born here, those immigrated, that make the USA what it is today.
I very firmly believe that the J-1 waiver program works, because I have many friends and family members that live in rural America and would have to drive hours for a doctor if the waiver program wasn't in place. I know lots of physicians who received a waiver position, and 7-9 years later, they are still in the community because they really like where they live.
I was just stating what INS/Homeland Security/Embassy personnel see every day.
p.s. one European was denied his visa the first time - he had to go back and show that he had financial ties to the home country, then he was given his J-1 visa.
Peace? :oops:
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| jrdagooc_md
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hi! i wanna know the theory behind why so many indian FMGs get denied visitor's visas. can anyone venture a guess? can anyone tell me the situation among filipino FMGs?
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| daira
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Peace 
Let me put it straight what I wanted to say.
If there is an official written policy (which I beleive there's none) regarding refusing the visa's to new applicants on the basis that physicians dont go back to their countries of origin, then this policy is contradictory to the existing laws and is unfair. But I dont believe there's any official policy on the basis of this issue, and thats why there is great discrimination in issuing visa's.
You really dont have any idea how these counselor officers treat people. If you go to one of these embassies, you really wouldnt believe that its a US government office. Dont let me go to the stories of taking huge sums for granting visas.. (and that is not official for sure.. ). Believe me its not the US we see here.. its altogether a different culture.. and a shocking experience. Anyway there is a lot about these overseas counselates which the people living here have no idea about. Its purely an IMG experience.
For Moozy:
I think you shouldnt let go an opportunity to start your post-graduation in your country. I dont know about the money, but the knowledge you gained while studying for USMLE, would definitely help you in doing that. Dont get frustrated, if you get visa, well n good, but if you dont, you have to live with it. Keep other options open for you.
jrdagooc_md:
No politics here.
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