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chicagodoc79 wrote:
How big of an advantage is citizenship?? Do citizens have lower criteria than people who need visas and if so, how big of an advantage is it?
Are you kidding me!
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Do you see a disadvantage???!!!
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| chicagodoc79
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I'm just asking how much of an advantage is it...I meant citizens who are foreign grads...would a person with lower creditionals be considered over a person with high creds who need a visa...
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"ABSOLUTELY"
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I think so too.
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I'm not sure if it's as big as people think it is, i'm a citizen, grew up in the US, who has average scores (late 80's), have good USCE, and I bet if we both apply to the same program, you'll get the IV over me...(saw your creds)...
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chicagodoc79 wrote:I'm not sure if it's as big as people think it is, i'm a citizen, grew up in the US, who has average scores (late 80's), have good USCE, and I bet if we both apply to the same program, you'll get the IV over me...(saw your creds)... coolmavs wrote:
"ABSOLUTELY"
I disagree.....I am not sure how the whole process works, but I am sure that they dont judge applicants who need visa with the same yardstick as those who dont.
I think this is a visa issue, and not to do with the citizenship. I am not complaining and saying that this should not be a criteria. But I would be living in my fantasy world if I thought otherwise.
This is my opinion, but others can chime in as well.
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Agree with coolmavs again.
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I really dont think it matters once they look at the application.
They either dont sponsor visa or they do.
From that point on, it becomes credential game.
Now if two candidates are close in the interview, they may go with the citizen to avoid the hassle of sponsorship and visa. But if there is huge difference, visa is not an issue.
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sachida wrote:
I really dont think it matters once they look at the application.
They either dont sponsor visa or they do.
From that point on, it becomes credential game.
Now if two candidates are close in the interview, they may go with the citizen to avoid the hassle of sponsorship and visa. But if there is huge difference, visa is not an issue.
I wish that were the case, butthat is not the case. How else can we justify the statement found on program websites that IMG makeup approximately 10% of our intern batch each year or the demand of one of the programs, "Of particular importance for all international graduates, we require a score of 250 or greater on the USMLE Step 2 and at least one year of formal post-graduate clinical training."
I am not debating if this is right or wrong, I am just saying that this is a fact, and there are definitely different parameters applied depending on if you need or do not need visa.
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coolmavs, I understand what you are saying.
But there are two different questions.
1. difference of being AMG or FMG.
2. difference of being Citizen or needing visa.
AMG have the best chance. Then if you are FMG, and you have USCE (people going to Caribbean schools) you have an advantage. But if you are FMG, it is not that great of an advantage if you are citizen or not, provided programs gives out visa. Now there are some university programs that don't sponsor visa and one without citizenship cant get in.
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i say a double 99er img with a good iv and well spoken english will beat a citizen or gc holder with a so so credential any time of the day!!
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| GriMMjoW
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that would be me :-)
haha, not to brag guys, but for my sakei m hoping wat dayzee says is true
cuz other than 99,99 and very good english,i ve got nothing else!!
maybe should start workin onmy charms eh 
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GriMMjoW wrote:
haha, not to brag guys, but for my sakei m hoping wat dayzee says is true
cuz other than 99,99 and very good english,i ve got nothing else!!
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you don't need much else...
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| george_md
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2 weeks into the match season, it's apparent that people who don't need visas are getting the bulk of the initial invites. hence, i'm close to concluding that i've been hanging out in the wrong forum. i should go on those online dating sites and find me an American to marry. lol.
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| match2010
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yeah geroge MD agreee with you !!! its soooo sad that ppl who are citizens with even 4-5 attempts and score in late 70's end with IM residency in good hospitals and IMG's with score in late 90's get rejected  
i have a friend who is citizen ....haas 3 attempts in step 1 , 2 in step 2 and score 79, 76 ...got matched in MI in a very good hospital and i have friends from india who has score in 90's with no attempts are still waiting for IV's ...
I hate to say this but its bitter truth about residency
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| Miradautas Vras
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Certainly an advantage as IVs on even this forum show. It's not exactly right but if you see it from program's perspective, why'd they bother when they are getting a resident with good enough credentials without visa hassles? 99s certainly help but as far as programs are concerned, that's just one criteria,if a candidate is good in other aspects [ has USC/LoRs etc] and doesn't have visa probs, they'll certainly prefer him/her.
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yeah, it definitely makes sense from the programs' point of view. i should start dating.
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guys... just be patient and wait... we are in disadvantage.. that's the truth.. but IVs for us (pple with good scores and decent credentials) are going to have IVs late man.. there is like 5 months left.. I think there will be a difference later.. once the programs realize that they are not going to fill their possitions... dont worry... just wait..
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