foucesed doc
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Eras application fee is too much,To apply more program instead it should lower but Eras increase the fee ,its ridiculous.
It might be convinent for the programs to recieve applications this way,but it,s totally too much for applicants.
I donot have enough money to apply many programs ,since I m not working right now.
how many of you are agree or disgree to my view?
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| Tuscani
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yep is a rip off!!!! seriously what is ERAS sending along with the applications? gold envelopes?
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| bbb
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Prior to ERAS, applicants would photocopy all their information, put them in envelopes, mail that to a program. Applications would come by the thousands - the last year that I received paper, I stopped counting at 4000.
Programs also have to pay for the priviledge of using ERAS, and the NRMP.
What the increasing fee is trying to do to make persons apply more carefully to choice programs rather than applying like mad to hundreds of programs.....
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| njcjzy
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Because of the higher fee for programs over 30, I just try to apply a little bit over 30. If I apply another specialty which I am not that confident I will get into, I will just apply 20. The point is, it is not wise to spend too much money on too many programs to gamble your fate. It is also unfair for others to apply if your credential is very strong and every program is ready to interview you.
Sorry if I disagree with you. But best of luck!
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| foucesed doc
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Donot you think it is unfair,that people applying to many specialty with good scores and occupy the interview positions and genuine candidates for other speciality with medium or low scores even donot get interview.
should it not be limit for one speciality u r intrested in or limit to 2.
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| njcjzy
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I am apply to dermatology and family practice, which means I have also need to apply to transitional year or preliminary year. I used to be a dermatologist, I still love to be a dermatologist. Even though I have not so bad credentials, I am an very old graduate (1993), and you know how competitive dermatology is. I pick up FM because I want to still see skin disease patients.
I agree with you that we should follow our heart to concentrate on just one specialty. On the other hand, if we choose to spend money on many programs, on many different specialties, then it is not unfair since that our own choice.
I understand that it is harder and harder for IMG to get into a residency . But since we choose to pursue this route, let's gather our courage and move on. Best of luck!
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| foucesed doc
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thanks bbb for the good info you shared.I really didnot know how this ERAS work.
But I still didnot understand why ERAS only this way to limit the number of application by increasing the amount of money.I bet there are several other ways to do that.
Anyway I admire you for doing such a wonderful job here without any fee and answer our silly questions.
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| mightydoc
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i tink its REALLY imp to choose programs carefully where u have a realistic shot of gettin a call.............dats my two bits but i do agree that its still quite steep financially if u arent earning...........however you make back the money within first month of residency  .........g'luk all
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| Tuscani
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foucesed doc wrote:
thanks bbb for the good info you shared.I really didnot know how this ERAS work.
But I still didnot understand why ERAS only this way to limit the number of application by increasing the amount of money.I bet there are several other ways to do that.
exactly!!!!
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| bbb
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foucesed doc wrote:
Donot you think it is unfair,that people applying to many specialty with good scores and occupy the interview positions and genuine candidates for other speciality with medium or low scores even donot get interview.
should it not be limit for one speciality u r intrested in or limit to 2.
Yes, it is unfair. Think of it the way I explained it to an intern in my program the other day. This is completely an example because I am not a doctor, but what if.....
What if I decided that I wanted to go to your country and practice medicine and I performed low or with multiple attempts on the qualifying exams for your country? That I was a "genuine candidates ....with medium or low scores ....."? Do you want me to practice medicine on your family members - even in a training program with staff physicians? Isn't that unfair to me?
And lets say that my language skills are minimal to communicate with your mom, grandmother, sister and I can't make them understand what I am trying to tell them? Do you want me to practice medicine on your family members - even in a training program with staff physicians? Isn't that unfair to me?
I'm not saying this to be mean or to be a bitch (yes, I called myself that), but life is unfair. I'm not tall and blond and beautiful, I'm not super smart (or I wouldn't be a secretary which my sister thinks is a waste of my time).
Life IS unfair and we need to make the most and the best of it that we can.
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| sackatdoc
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 wow!! now i am a big fan of you bbb, the way you have presented the facts, i would say the flip side,indeed very convincing and justified. Spitting the truth out never makes one b#### but makes people realize the reality, after this i dont think anything is left to argue.
After reading your posts,i have to say you are a women of substance, be it secretary or artist, you rock, let people say what they want to!!!!!
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| hitesh
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Well said bbb.. .. And I think all this ERAS system is actually quite fair.. Its not the perfect system, but it's not bad at all.. Why shouldnt good applicants be able to apply to as many prgrams they want to and have as many options they want? Why shouldnt AMGs be given preference over IMGs? And i also have a feeling that the huge costs are also justified..(there must be some body that looks over it, i'm sure they're answerable to someone)... No One should fret over how unfair the system is (this or any other), 'cos for one- it isnt.. and two- you cant do anything about it anyways..
PS: bbb, you were being a bit mean up there though 
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| foucesed doc
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What if I decided that I wanted to go to your country and practice medicine and I performed low or with multiple attempts on the qualifying exams for your country? That I was a "genuine candidates ....with medium or low scores ....."? Do you want me to practice medicine on your family members - even in a training program with staff physicians? Isn't that unfair to me?
I thought once someone passed exam,it means that person is capable of doing training in that country.As far as number of attempt are concern there is a limitto be eligible to practice.
As far as how good or bad a physican be with low scores and multiple attempts and poor communications skill,time has proven in the past there are many doctors with such credentials and doing surgeries,in Anesthesia,and are best family doctors.
Do you belive one my good friend used to flunk in all his medical school subjects and scored >95 in both steps in Ist attempt.
As far as competition is concern I understand who have better credentials have better chance but doesnot mean necessarily that they will be the best physicians only while not the other one with poor credentilas.
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| drnadeemusmani
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ERAS application is the best method at present- till we find a better method of selecting candidates.
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| bbb
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Focused do - We are going to agree to disagree. There is no easy solution.
Although, I have wondered what I could score if I studied for a year or two......I mentioned that to my Chief Resident the other day - who offered me his study materials......um - no.
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| njcjzy
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If we choose to participate, let's not talk about whether things are fair or unfair. They are out of our control. What we can control, though, is spending more time to improve ourselves during this competition and let us shine. GL.
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| Tuscani
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still unfair!
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| Tuscani
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I don't mind paying $2,000 but why the heck is ECFMG taking 3 months to verify your docs and issue a dam ECFMG certificate?
that is not fair...
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| dayzee
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to all my fellow doctors; to become a doctor is a very long,expensive and painfull journey. we chose to be one, lets ride it out and dont give up. there is a seat for every one of us waiting out there..just how soon and how bad we want to get there. like MLK said we all gunna get to promise land.
as far as the millions of $$ that nrmp (a none profit semi gov agency) makes, what ever is left it goes to help the gov to pay the salaries of the residents.
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| mightydoc
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okay guys..........bottom line is its not in our hands............some are more fortunate then others financially..........the match in itself is a gamble..............but if you have hope, motivation and all the right ingredients.............you WILL SUCCEED !!!!
Gandhi once said somethin to the effect of..............everyone around me might be much smarter then me but I will work harder then everyone else so their smartness really wont matter in the end...............im not indian but i do admire him for his attitude........and i think we all need to focus on wots really important............if u cant afford to apply to prog, like me, u need to spend that extra time going through every program makin sure you fulfil the criteria required..............
okay this is turnin into a sermon.............as a keep on sayin i could b wrong and mean no offence to anyone.............g'luk all
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