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I am an IMG, doing postdoc in the US and will apply for pathology's resident programs. I don't have a US degree or US clinical experience.
But I have a Ph.D from Karolinska Institute, Sweden (MD from elsewhere) and have some clinical experience in Karolinska Hospital in sweden.
People normally say that US Ph.D/clinical experience will help more.
I am wondering whether american doctors respect Karolinska's PhD and clinical experience or not ?
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| Justice
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2009_USMLE wrote:
I am wondering whether american doctors respect Karolinska's PhD and clinical experience or not ?
I am sure they don't care about this as about anything that is not from US institution...
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| 2009_USMLE
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But my professor said to me that Karolinska Institute is highly respected all over the world because everyone knows it nominates Nobel Prize winners in medicine.
But I don't know how useful my degree /experience will be in residency application.
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| akm
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Actually I disagree.....If one attends a premier foreign institute it does bear some weight.
Karolinska definitely will be looked at favorably. Places like Oxford, Karlolinska, and some others....
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| zion
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I agree with akm.
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| 2009_USMLE
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Thanks akm, zion for your encouraging comments. I become more self-confident .
Thanks
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| squashdoc
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Hi.. KI is extremely well known for high quality work worldwide. it was fourth behind Harvard. Cambridge and oxford w r t Times ranking in biomedical field. were u at the CMM?
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| 2009_USMLE
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Hi Squashdoc, I was in Huddinge. are you also from KI ?
I know that KI is quite well-known in Europe. But you know US normally only care US degree/experience. .
in my hospital, it looks that only my professor pretty much know about Karolinska, a lot of other people know little about it. So I am a little worrying about this.
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| squashdoc
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hi.. i am not in KI now.. did some research at CMM.. Every 'research' focused physicians across the world know the imp of KI.. so chill..
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| vegache
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At the more academic programs they'll certainly look favorably at your PhD. It will not necessarily be the case though in the less academic ones.
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| 2009_USMLE
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Thanks all.
I will plan to apply for pathology this year, can anyone evaluate my chances ?
92/92/pass CS, old gratuates (11y), Green card, 3 LOR, 5,6 research articles, 7-8 presentation/abstracts and 1 patent + PhD from Karolinska.
Morover, I heard that it is better to apply for more than one Specialty. then I could have more chances, can anyone let me know which other Specialties also would consider my background favorably ?
I really appreciate for your advices.
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| sachida
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KI is well respected and you should get some traction with it.
But overall just PI in medicine program dont care that much about research acheivements. They want to know your US clinical experience, and when did you graduate.
I am like you in terms of being old (9 yr old graduate), have PhD from USA and some paper and publications. Last year I applied just with step 1 score and got three interviews. Small programs actually thought I would not fit in because of my research interest. Bigger programs were quite receptive.
So there is no clear answer, but with your scores and experiences, all you need is one PI who is impressed with what you have acheived.
good luck
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| vegache
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sachida, did you match? What were your scores? Did the scores matter when you had PhD?
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| sachida
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Vegache, I did not go for match because my step 2 CK was not done by the time of LOR. My scores are 93 & 91. Scores does matter. Here is my list of what matters most
attempts>Scores>yr of graduation>clinical experience in USA>letter of recommendations>other degress (i.e. PhD from good institute)>research & publications>other factors
PhD is most helpful if you apply for Pathology & all fallowships
PhD is least helpful in applying for family practice.
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| vegache
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Sachida, thanks. I'm just surprised because I know two IMGs who did PhDs in the USA, and both got in residency into very good institutions. One entered ophthamology and the other one neurology. The one who got neurology got a prematch at a really top university. So I thought that when you do a PhD in the US it would open doors into the academic programs.
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| cherryho
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I got some data from Frieda? showing that radiation oncology is the specialty that has the highest percentage of applicants with PhDs. The second is pathology. However rad onc is a specialty that's out of reach for most FMGs. FM has the least PhDs.
But it takes a long time to get a PhD in the US. I spent 5 years and only 3 students (including me) in my year graduated in 5 years. You became an old graduate after you got a PhD. Have PDs thought of that?
Edited by cherryho on 08/25/08 - 10:28 AM
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Do PDs in pathology programs care more about PhD, research background than graduation years ?
if two students have the same USMLE score, student A (PhD from a respected institute, good publication record, but >10 graduation years, like me), student B ( 3-5y young graduate without PhD/PhD from a developing country) normally PD in pathology will pick up student A or B ?
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| cherryho
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From what I heard it's an overall package that matters. It also depends on whom you are competing with in a particular year.
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| akm
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You're asking us what we think PD's might think........its kind of a stretch don't you think?......There's no way we can predict things of that nature: You cannot change your graduation year, so don't worry so much about it.
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| sachida
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Cherryo thanks for that info on FRIEDA
Rediation oncology is my choice too, but there are too few spots, IMGs are unheard of and even bigger institute dont participate in match every year. They do at time alternate years.
I am trying to crack it albeit it is more like testing water.
People who are considering pathology, I just talked to one of my mate who did his PhD>went to decent pathology program. According to him, jobs are hard to come and since program is now 4 yrs from 5 yrs, it has become increasingly mendatory to do fellowship. That is two additional years. So if I personally had to do 4+2 for path, I would rather do 3+3 or 2 for internal medicine and hem/onc or nephro
that is just me though///
but getting old is definate...downer...
For year of graduation and being "old" graduate is I think really unfair for medical graduates like us..
If you were MD PhD student in US system, you do two years of med school then finish PhD, go back and finish last two years to guess what will be your year of graduation .. after PhD so they look "fresh" graduates while we get shoved in the back side and labeled "old"
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