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bbb, just wanted to ask u a few things about J1 and H1b visas.
1. Say u are on a j1 during residency and apply for fellowship in 2 and 3rd years and match, can u continue with the fellowship immediately after residency on the same visa and opt for the waiver program after fellowship?
2. If u are on H1b for residency can the visa be changed to j1 for fellowships?
finally I want to thank u from the bottom of my heart for supporting us in probably the most difficult times of our lives year after year. I know we are going to need ur advice more and more as the days go by.
GL to everybody for the 2009 match.
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| innocent devil
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2. If u are on H1b for residency can the visa be changed to j1 for fellowships?
this one i can answer.in previous topics bbb mentioned tht its possible.
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justdontgiveup wrote:
bbb, just wanted to ask u a few things about J1 and H1b visas.
1. Say u are on a j1 during residency and apply for fellowship in 2 and 3rd years and match, can u continue with the fellowship immediately after residency on the same visa and opt for the waiver program after fellowship?
2. If u are on H1b for residency can the visa be changed to j1 for fellowships?
First, you're welcome - I'm glad that I can help a little bit. Including the applicant who walked in this afternoon as I was leaving and walked me to the parking structure while I answered his questions (I don't know if he's here, but I hope that I helped a little).
1. Yes, you would stay on the same J1 visa.
2. WHY WOULD YOU APPLY FOR AN H VISA AND THEN TRANSFER!! Don't you know the doors that a J1 visa will offer you when you start interviewing is so huge, I couldn't contemplate why an H visa would be wanted. I guess I don't get it.
Good luck.
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| justdontgiveup
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thank u bbb for the quick reply, really appreciate it
1. suppose i go for a j1 during residency and then go for a waiver job, can i apply for the green card during the waiver job.
2. following the waiver job after residency if i enter fellowship on a j1 do i need to apply for a waiver job again following fellowship.
the fact that i asked for conversion from h1 to j1 was that according to the forum it is virtually impossible to get a fellowship sponsoring h1, so i presume a person on an h1 would have to wait for getting a green card before he or she gets into fellowship. i thought probably by converting from h1 to j1 u could then get into fellowship immediately.
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| greenriver
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Hi BBB,
I Have a question regarding J1 visa. Previously I was on J1 research category and then I got 2-year home stay waiver and I'm on H1 visa. When I get matched, am I eligible for J1 clinical category?
Thank you very much.
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| Moozy
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Well, its not impossible to get fellowship on H1.. it is possible and I am seeing it for last 2 years. It depends on what specialty you are applying in for fellwoship. My seniors have matched in Rheum, Endo, ID, Heme/Onc and Pulm/CC on H1 visa this year and so was the case last years also. Yes J1 has better chances for fellwoship IVs..
But since one is willing to do a fellowship on J1, why do you want to get H1 in the first place. Just complete all on J1. And I have heard my seniors considering the switch but it is complicated to transfer... for H1, you do not prove any ties to your country and J1 requires that. Also I dont know how you will undo the fact that u were seeking immigrtion as a resident.. also some people apply for GC while on H1 and that is another hinderance to obtain J1.
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the fact that i asked for conversion from h1 to j1 was that according to the forum it is virtually impossible to get a fellowship sponsoring h1, so i presume a person on an h1 would have to wait for getting a green card before he or she gets into fellowship. i thought probably by converting from h1 to j1 u could then get into fellowship immediately.
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| justdontgiveup
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thanks for the info moozy 
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| Argo
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Although H1 fellowships arent that easy to get.Its possible.I personally know few people doing cards and GI on H1 visa in Mayo
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justdontgiveup wrote:
1. suppose i go for a j1 during residency and then go for a waiver job, can i apply for the green card during the waiver job.
2. following the waiver job after residency if i enter fellowship on a j1 do i need to apply for a waiver job again following fellowship.
1. On a waiver Job, you're on an H visa.. green card will come later..
2. this would be a new J1 visa and hence a new HRR and a need for another waiver job.. But you need to be careful with all this as there's also a 2yr bar with j1 visa, whereby you're not eligible for another J1 visa for 2 yrs once you complete a program on a J1 visa ( this is different from the 2 yr HRR)... best would be to talk to a visa attorney, if and when you want to be clear on the subject..
Good luck!
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| Miradautas Vras
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So in short a person positively planning for a fellowship should don't worry about getting H1, I gather, or should he?
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| justdontgiveup
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Thanks a lot guys for ur replies. I did some research on the subject and this is what i have come up with. I would like the forum seniors to correct me where i am wrong and to add info where they seem appropriate.
1. J1->do residency and fellowship->get j1 waiver(difficult to get after specialization,status changes to h1)->apply for green card eb2(either through labour certification{seems to be the touger way} or through national interest waiver {be prepared to spend 5 years of your life in a supposed area where physicians are in low numbers, probably in difficult circumstances})->may need to extend h1b where green card processing takes a long time.
pros: you have ur fellowship done
cons: difficult to get waiver after specialization, probably will be doing primary care even after specialization.
2. H1b->do residency->go through green card process from a sponsoring agency (through labour certification in which u have to show that the job u go for does not have any american applicants, or through national interest waiver {do the job in an underserved region for 5 years}->get h1b extension if required->get green card->apply for fellowships.
pros: get green card early, will be doing primary care for 5 years which is what u have trained for before specialization.
cons: fellowship will have to wait (people like me might not even think about it at that time )
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| justdontgiveup
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going through ur posts there seem to be other possibilities as well:
3. h1b-> do residency->get fellowship (seems to be quite hard but possible according to some members->go for green card.
4. get any damn visa-> do residency->apply for green card(for j1 after waiver of course)-> settle down as a primary care physician (not a bad option at all, be satisfied,the road needs to end somewhere )
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| Miradautas Vras
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let's see. I am not interested in staying in Us permanently. My basic purpose is to do a good fellowship and go back. I'm opting for J1 only.
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| justdontgiveup
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hey miradautas vras it is totally up to you, but i think that when u do the residency and fellowship from one country u become familiar to the system and moving back to a completely new system will present its own challenges ,eg.u might find difficulty in knowing the brand names and the prices of drugs that u need to write on ur prescription (very basic but believe me very important, and u learn a lot of it in ur residency), but i guess it depends on how much the medical system of ur country resembels the us. i basically wrote the info for people who might be interested in settling down in us after their residency. good luck
Edited by justdontgiveup on 08/11/08 - 11:40 AM
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| Miradautas Vras
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Well once you go in to specialized care, it doesn't make much big of a difference. Big hospitals in my country have US trained docs in all sorts of branches. I talked with a guy who is an endocrinologist and did his fellow and residency from Mayo, he is editor of some major Indian medical texts. His opinion was that once you go in to a very specialized field, the change doesn't matter much, since speicalty practice, at least in India, runs on the fringes.
This is just my idea, everyone is certainly entitled to their own.
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greenriver wrote:
Hi BBB,
I Have a question regarding J1 visa. Previously I was on J1 research category and then I got 2-year home stay waiver and I'm on H1 visa. When I get matched, am I eligible for J1 clinical category?
Thank you very much.
Sorry, I am not an immigration attorney - I can't even begin to answer this.
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| milee99
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My case is that I need an H1. My husband is on H1, we are filing our green card soon.
After J1 residency, if I don't get waiver or fellowship, I will have to go back to India for 2 yrs .. which means forever actually.. don't think we will want to come back after a gap of 2 years...My husband's prospects for a job in India may or may not be good at that time. So the only way we both can surely stay together is an H1. We are okay with staying in different cities for the time of residency.. Don't think I would want to extend that to 2 more years.
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| xavi
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Hi everybody and BBB ... I am also troubled with visa transfer issues. I am currently in my intern year of Family med on h1b but I want to switch to internal medicine. So in my case, can I only apply for h1b offering programs or both j1/h1 offering programs?? Any ideas appreciated.
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You can apply for both visa. You can change your H visa to a J visa.
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