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Ok, so perhaps this ongoing discussion has been resolved, but I had not found it just quite yet, being you are the point person and could probably give us the most clear cut answer, I wanted to know that with my postgraduate externship, is that under work experience (since it's not an observership) or is it under volunteer experience (since i was not paid for it for obv reasons)? Or are all observership/externships placed under volunteer work since we aren't paid for it but it is experience nonetheless? and at that note, i am doing 'research' volunteer work, but i had placed that under 'research experience' is this wrong as well? im so confused 
i hate to make this question harder than it really is, but i guess if there were some help button that would clarify it on eras, we wouldnt have to bombard u with such silly questions, any help is appreciated!! thanks!
oh and here's another question (since i've already created a thread) does our medical school go under education in addition to medical education (i dont' see the point, but just wanted to make sure, b.c under education it asks for all undergraduate, graduate school, etc..) so is that rite as well? we add our med school under both education and medical education?? thanx people!!
Edited by hottie99 on 07/25/08 - 01:24 PM
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| deoriverajr
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observership/externship be placed at volunteer experience
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| beiwen
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I'm still waiting for sound reasons to place externship/clerkship/observership experience under volunteer classification.
Personally I think it should be work experience, since you have schedules to comply and tasks to be done. Even though it is not paid, you cannot go there and get out whenever you want. You have specific time and tasks to comply with.
Volunteer work is when you go to a hospital and bring help whenever you're free to do it. Most of the times between 4-8 hrs a week. I was once volunteering in a hospital and I was not allowed to work longer than continued 4-6 hs or more than 16-20 hs a week... In my externship I'm working up to 50-60 hs/week. I have assigned times and tasks. It is not volunteering...
Please someone with experience and sound arguments enlighten us on this... thanks.
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| hottie99
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ok thanx, but you know above the part where we enter it it says that clinical experiece should be under 'work' so i'm still confused! that's why i wanted to get an 'officiated' POV so that maybe we can see how programs interpret it, or if it really even matters at all, so long as it's written in one of the sections... thx anyways, best of luck!
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| innocent devil
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clinical experience which is unpaid should come under volunteer work
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| beiwen
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Plus... when you volunteer, you usually don't follow orders. You are just being asked for favors, and you voluntarily are free to do what you're asked for. You can choose: either help with administrative tasks, transport patients, translate, write charts some times. Volunteering is not clinical experience by itself but just offering some help in the medical field.
When you work, you have to comply with orders, you're given an assigned time, you can't be late, leave when you are discharged, etc., even if you're not paid.
Again, please someone experienced on this matter give sound reasons...
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there were a lot of good points raised here and since i'm also in the process of editing my CV, i'd like to share what my supervising physician told me. she said that i should put my observerships and even research work under work experience. whether it's paid or not, it's still really work. besides , it looks better on a CV. she's a US doctor who have lots of experience reviewing CV's and PS's and has worked with lots of med. students, residents, and FMG's. i guess her point is that on a CAF or CV, you are trying to sell yourself and you will sell yourself better if you consider observerships/externships as work experience.
i dunno 'bout you guys, but i'm taking her word for it. hope that info. helps somehow.
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| akm
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My understanding: "Observerships" which involved no patient contact or direct care should definitely be put as volunteer experience.
Externships that involved direct patient care should be put under Work experience.
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| hottie99
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thanx but observerships for some people can entail doing history and pe's, depending on the physician allowing the 'observership'... this never ending definition of the two can vary from each doctor so who knows... all i figure is that i shall put it under work experience, unless BBB says otherwise, bc eseentially i know we all can discuss these points forever, but my whole intention to post this topic was so tha a supposed 'higher' voice chimes in and gives clarity on the matter and not that we're disputing amongst ourselves with valid points... i want all of us to benefit from it and post it correctly on our CAF's so that we all get due credit!
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| akm
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Honestly I believe that it really doesn't matter how you list it so long as the description of your responsibilities are explained clearly..
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| beiwen
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Here, I agree with akm: I think it doesn't matter how you list it, as long as you provide a clear description of what you did in your assigned time
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| hottie99
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not a problem, was just seeking some advice from a pc, that's all, thanx guys! have not heard from BBB just yet.. so we shall see how it's broken down...
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akm wrote:
My understanding: "Observerships" which involved no patient contact or direct care should definitely be put as volunteer experience.
Externships that involved direct patient care should be put under Work experience.
This sounds as logical as anything. Although this is pretty good too:
akm wrote:
Honestly I believe that it really doesn't matter how you list it so long as the description of your responsibilities are explained clearly..
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| hottie99
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thanx.
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