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| paheli
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| matcharesident
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USCE type is not a necessary question to ask. The majority and if not all residency programs do not consider research and observership. Externships and Internships are good to go. If you only have research or observership then pick "No" for UCE question. Remember that you have your ERAS application to add your clinical experiences in general.
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| milee99
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Thanks Paheli!
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| new_n_lost
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matcharesident wrote:
USCE type is not a necessary question to ask. The majority and if not all residency programs do not consider research and observership. Externships and Internships are good to go. If you only have research or observership then pick "No" for UCE question. Remember that you have your ERAS application to add your clinical experiences in general.
U mean to say Research Experience is not helpful.
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| matcharesident
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No, what I meant is research will not be considered as USCE. Yes it is helpful to add in the ERAS application. Hands on clinical experience in the US counts.
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| Moozy
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some programs consider uk or canadian experience... how does MAR personlaize your list if you have UKCE? also.. the list they give is very personalized to your credentails... some programs may consider you if you have other qualifiatiosn or exp..but then MAR will not give you details of those programs since it is customized to scores, visa status, graduation year and USCE..
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| cherryho
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Hey does this Website give you info about the applicants' credentials for each program (e.g. avg USMLE score....)? I kind of want to be more selective for the programs based on my own credentials.
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| matcharesident
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Hi NLN..everything is helpful. But yes research is not helpful when it comes to USCE question and same for observership (With exceptions to a small number programs)
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| matcharesident
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Moozy: Yes some UKCE is considered and if it w pointed out by the program this way then we would have considered it and also added it to the additional comments section same goes for some Canadian programs
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| matcharesident
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Cherryho..yes actually that is one of the most important criteria asked, USMLE scores. Please register and review.
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| Justice
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Hey to all,
I am here to say just few words about my impression about MAR. Of course, first I want to clarify that I have no financial or any other interests in MAR's business.
I think it's a fair game... YES, I DO... Of course, the list in not all-inclusive in terms of finest details of the program and personal preferences of residency program directors, but it is not even supposed to be so...
MAR list DOES answer most of the questions applicants have when search programs, and allows to pinpoint programs which you might want to contact in person to clarify some issues such as whether Canadian or UK experience can be regarded better than the German one or if it would be counted at all. Same is about research. Concern about u-based or c-based program isn't that significant, but could be easily addressed by clicking on FREIDA link that is given right there. Same is about size of the program, salaries, insurance, etc...
Those who spent some time playing with Freida and direct links to program sites, might want to agree with me that these two also do not completely satisfy information requirements. Some sites are not updated for several years!!! But, MAR list is well systematized and all you need is to transfer ID number of the program into ERAS program search and select the program. In addition, it allows to make comments, which could be useful later on...
I will post more thoughts after I explore MAR better.
GL to everyone...
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| P4a99
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Thank you Justice.
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| docdoc9
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Thanks everybody
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| Argo
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Hi Does externship in a non teaching hospital in US counts as USCE?Also the USCE tab doesnt ask how many months of USCE.So does it make a difference ,if USCE is 1.5 month or 2 months or 3 months?Thanks
Edited by Aashi on 07/20/08 - 09:30 PM. Reason: corrected a spelling error
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| lilac
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to matcharesident:
i'm actually thinking of using your service, so at the risk of sounding redundant, you don't consider research and observerships as USCE right? so if i want the list, then i'd have to choose NO USCE. so other programs that do consider observerships (bec. there are progs. that do) will not be included in the list.....
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| Justice
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Argo wrote:
Hi Does externship in a non teaching hospital in US counts as USCE?Akso the USCE tab doesnt ask how many months of USCE.So does it make a difference ,if USCE is 1.5 month or 2 months or 3 months?Thanks
There is a place in the program description clarifying USCE requirement. Now, if the program wants to see USCE, there is usually a comment below that deciphers that issue, especially when it comes to longevity of the USCE. Some programs want to see 1 year at least, other say that it is just preferable to have it.
If you state in your sign-up portfolio that you DO NOT have USCE, then you are given a list of programs that do not require USCE. If you say that you have it, then you are given a list of programs that either require or do not require USCE, and then you have more flexibility.
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Again, I have no personal interest or involvement in MAR business... What I say is my own experience with my list.
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| Justice
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lilac wrote:
to matcharesident:
i'm actually thinking of using your service, so at the risk of sounding redundant, you don't consider research and observerships as USCE right? so if i want the list, then i'd have to choose NO USCE. so other programs that do consider observerships (bec. there are progs. that do) will not be included in the list.....
Unfortunately, there is no description of what kind of USCE programs want you to have. They do not clarify if they want you to have research experience, or 6-mo observership, or legal medical practice. They just say if they want it or not, and how long it should be.
I guess MAR has no its personal judgment on what USCE is, and how long it should be.
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Again, I have no personal interest or involvement in MAR business... What I say is my own experience with my list.
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| matcharesident
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Dear doctors,
I want to thank justice for the explanation and yes he is right. We can indeed make the list to narrow down as much as possible asking more and more details but that we take a risk of removing some programs that maybe potential. When we call the program and ask them about USCE they may answer yes or no or they may answer yes and give the number of months. Foe those programs that gave us the duration we will post it in the additional comments section for you to see but we do not FORCE the program to tell us because they may end up making up an answer (specially when force ask about USMLE attempts). We believe that anything other than the 5 questions we ask in the registration page actually will hurt your list than help it. All additional requirement we add to the "additional comments" section for you to make a decision.
Our goal is to narrow your search but you must put one small effort in making the best decision and it has worked very well within the past 4 years. We lead the customized residency list market and we know what is needed.
The additional comments section has more than usmle attempts and ECFMG certification for interview it has some unusual requirements. for example, there is one program that requires you to OWN A CAR in order to apply to their programs.
Now as far as observership and those programs that accept it as USCE we point it out in the additional comments section and you most likely to be able to see it in the IMG friendly list, but not in the customized since the customized list has eliminated all the program that requires USCE (an the majority do not consider observership). The IMG friendly list we give free for you to see but it does not match your credentials (simply IMG friendly).
Hope I did answer your questions here.
thanks
Sam
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| matcharesident
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One thing I must add. If you want a bigger list then you can make your own decision to say yes to USCE and then you can see the full list overlooking the USCE then you can read if a program actually considers the observership. Then you can always email us and change to "no" and have a more specific list.
I can tell you that those program that consider observership are very few and if they do they will require over 6 months observership and its still a weak experience. We always recommend our members who do not seem to fit into the USCE category to apply to all those who do not care about it and that is by answering "no".
thanks again!
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