superabood
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hi everybody
if I could get an observeship, or research training for 3 months in a top notch university (for sure volunteer work without compensation) will I be able to apply for H1 visa in residency without the 2 years Home residency return??
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| bbb
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If you are on a J1 visa, you cannot change it to an H1b visa without the 2 years out of the USA.
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| superabood
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thank you very muh bbb
I know this, but my question is:
they give J visa for 3 months observeship, does it the same as J1 visa which need 2 years HRR, or it's another type of J visa don't need 2 yr HRR?
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| paheli
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Unless you get a J1 waiver. Am I right, bbb?
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| paheli
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superabood, you can do an Observership on a B1/B1 visa. I think that will simplify everything. [Plus, I'm not sure if you can get a J1 for a period of just 3 months.]
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| drshvetasm
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the digitaldoc website states that there are different types of J1 and some of them do not have return to home country rule and he recently posted an observership/research position on J1 which didnt have that rule....so after ur J1 is done...u r free...now what is that bout? bbb>
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| bbb
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J visa is an educational visa - to my knowledge, there isn't a J visa for an observership. Check with ECFMG for the final word on this.
superabood wrote:
thank you very muh bbb
I know this, but my question is:
they give J visa for 3 months observeship, does it the same as J1 visa which need 2 years HRR, or it's another type of J visa don't need 2 yr HRR?
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| bbb
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paheli wrote:
Unless you get a J1 waiver. Am I right, bbb?
J waiver would be AFTER you complete residency and fellowship.
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| paheli
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Oh, ok, thanks for clearing that up, bbb.
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| Feyza
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so just to confirm once more ... I definetely can do observership with B1 right ?
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| paheli
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Observe - Yes.
[Extern - I don't know.]
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| Feyza
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k...actually the guy wrote on my passport, going to take USMLE and then do some observership ...no direct patient care authorized ...
hope I can arrange one 
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| drshvetasm
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yeah...i'm extremely sorry to add to the confusion but i have seen some profs agree for research after u have done observership with them. And for that research you need to go on a J1....thats what I meant. and that kind of J1 is generally sponsored by the university itself for a period of 6 months or so...not ECFMG. and thats what i wanted to know bbb if that visa sponsored by the univ has a 2 yr return to home country rule or not...
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| bbb
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Any J1 is usually sponsored by the ECFMG. You may work at a university, but the visa is obtained by the ECFMG, for the university.
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| drshvetasm
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oh I was told by the university international services that they would sponsor it...not ECFMG
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| bbb
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drshvetasm wrote:
oh I was told by the university international services that they would sponsor it...not ECFMG
Check with them if they sponsor, or they just forward and sponsor through ECFMG. Don't be afraid to ask questions....
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| hitesh
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Let me just clarify things here a bit.
What bbb is talking about is the J1 visa for residency. Yes, that is sponsored by ECFMG and is ALWAYS subject to the 2 year HRR or 212(e)
There are other J1 visas as well, like J1 research visa and J1 short term scholar visa (up to 6 months) which are usually sponsored by the program/ university you applied to. These may or may not be subject to the 2 year HRR. When they are not, you can convert to H1 b status for residency.
But, also you need to keep in mind the 2 yr J1 bar, (which is different from 212e), according to which a candidate who completed a program on J1 visa must wait for 2 years before applying for another j1 visa. So, for example, say you complete a research program on J1 visa, you need to wait for 2 years before you reapply for a J1 for residency (u dont need to serve HRR unless u are subject to it)
So, when are you subject to the 2yr HRR (212e) :
1. If you do a residency on J1 visa
2. If your program receives direct government funding
3. if your area of work/expertise falls under the 'skills list'
You can find all this information here.
Having said that, the final decision about whether or not you are subject to the 212e, is in the hands of the visa officer and the department of state (DOS)
Now, lets say you are doing some clerkships/ research/ externship on J1 visa and you are subject to 212e. Do you have to wait for 2 years? Not necessarily! To get a waiver for this, you DO NOT need a 'waiver job' like you would if you were doing a residency on J1. You need to apply for a NOC (no objection certificate) from your home country govt, and you can apply for the waiver. Needs a bit of running around and some scutwork and lots of time, but can be done. the good news is, you can do all this while staying in USA!! just need to contact your home country embassy in Washington!
Well, i guess this is enough for now. Hope it helped. Questions are welcome.
PS : I am on a J1 visa (short term scholar) myself doing an elective rotation for 2 months and I am not subject to the 212(e) / 2 year HRR
Edited by hitesh on 04/09/08 - 01:59 PM
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| superabood
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thank you very much hitesh,but you freaked me out by the J visa 2 yr bar !!!
1- does that mean if I accept the observeship I can't have J1 resedency (or another observeship) for 2 years !!!!!!!
2- another questions please: I've just got my B visa for CS, & seems I may get J1 visa for an observeship starting after 5 months
should I apply for the J visa from my home country these days before I travel for CS?
or I'd better apply for the J visa when I'm in USA for CS exam?
Edited by superabood on 04/25/08 - 05:06 AM
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| hitesh
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Any J1 visa has a grace period of 1 month on both sides. This means that you can enter US 1 month before the start of your pogram date ( mentioned in your DS2019 fom) and stay up till 1 month after.
Now, I do not think that you can apply for a J1 visa while you're in US on another visa. You will need to travel oustide to mexico or canada or your home country ( I am not sure though).. So, I'd suggest that If you're planning to stay in US till your observership, then get your J1 visa now. Enter on B visa, and then the university / program that you're gonna do your observership at, should be able to help you with " change of status" from B to J. You will not have to travel outside of US
Relax, the 12 month bar ( yes its 12 month and not 2 yrs, my bad) applies only to professors and research scholars. Also, I read somewhere that even this bar does not apply any longer as far as ECFMG sponsored J visa for residency is concerned . But I have not read any authentic information on this so far. But for you, this 12 month bar should not apply.
Hope this helped. Good luck!
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| plastic_surgery
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Hitesh, the 12 month J1 bar is in place and active. Change from j1 research to J1 clinical is still difficult and lengthy procedure and not advisable. It is a highly stressful process and unrealistic for regular match or even prematch positions. It may work for position where you get offer 12 months ahead of time and program asks for waiver on you behalf for research to clinical J1. still may take 9 months....
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| superabood
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yeah, since we're talking about the time intervals
does anyone know who much does it take to change your visa from B to J1?
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| superabood
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anyone has an idea?
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| vradojc1
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B and J-1 are completely unrelated. You'll get your J-1 as soon as your host (university...) has done their part with USCIS/DHS/SEVIS and when they forward you the documents you need to show at the US consular office, you'll get the visa next day after the consular interview (unless you mess up big time at interview).
However, since the program (research/observership/residency, whatever strikes your fancy) has to state your funding/financial support you 'll be having during the time spent with them, I do not know how are you going to get one just for the observership - will they be providing you with food and board? Otherwise, J-1 is so easy to get, but as stated before carries many caveats.
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