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  #1

I have matched and am dieing to take step 3 soon but despite my efforts its quite possible that the program will not wait and sponsor me J1 visa instead of H1...I just know H1 is better as everyone runs after that..but since Im very likely to end up getting J1 Im very depressed...do I need to be depressed at all...?

plz someone tell me the advantages of J1 and reasons why i should not be worried to be on J1....I know u get waiver and all...but what else? why do people sweat over getting H1 ?

thanks.

  #2

Search through my posts and you will see that I am a HUGE advocate of the J1 visa. If you are looking at a fellowship after your residency, you will want a J1 visa as the majority of the fellowships will not provide sponsorship of the H visa.

In 20 years of working with residents on J1 visas, I have known less than 10 that have returned to their home country - there are always positions out there for waivers that end up with green cards.

Okay, success story? IMG on J1, who matched with me. Received a fellowship at a university and he is now a pulmonary staff physician at a university hospital in the mid-west - with a green card. Is he the smartest guy on the planet. Sorry, no. He's just a guy with some of the same baggage that we all have. And now, he has a green card.)

Other side of the coin: Smart, smart, smart resident on a H visa. Was selected to be chief resident. Matched into a cardiology program, now on a J visa because the fellowship doesn't sponsor H visas.

Good luck with your decision......


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bbb - trying to combine common sense and humour into realistic answers, but not going to guess on anyone's chances of getting into a position....

  #3

Thanks bbb, it cleared my doubts.

Thanks.

  #4

Thanks bbb
so is it possible to change your visa from H1 to J1 if someone didnt find a good position with H1? and is it difficult?

  #5

bbb, do you know if i would have any problem with a J1 if I am being petitioned by my mom? thanks!

  #6

Thanks bbb for your advise. It cleared a lot of doubts from my mind.

  #7

cool doctor wrote:
Thanks bbb
so is it possible to change your visa from H1 to J1 if someone didnt find a good position with H1? and is it difficult?

Yes, you can change and H visa to a J (but not a J to an H visa) - it's easy.


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  #8

spikey wrote:
bbb, do you know if i would have any problem with a J1 if I am being petitioned by my mom? thanks!


What? Petitioned by your mom? I think that you are pulling my chain.


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bbb - trying to combine common sense and humour into realistic answers, but not going to guess on anyone's chances of getting into a position....

  #9

bbb, what I meant was I was wondering if getting a J1 instead of an H1 will have any adverse effect on the fact that I have a pending petition for GC filed by my mom (last year) who is now a US immigrant... thanks

  #10

if you have a pending petition for GC you can't get J1... unless you cancel the greencard petition

  #11

Correct, if a green card is in the process, then you shouldn't get a J1 visa.


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  #12

Hi, bbb. Thanks for your patient replies.

You mentioned a relative ease to bag Fellowships if on a J1, since Fellowships sponsor only J1s. What if an applicant were to do Residency on H1, then eventually gets a GC, THEN applies for a Fellowship. Is there any obvious disadvantage/difficulty in getting into a Fellowship a few years after completion of Residency[the way Residency progs prefer fresh grads rather than old grads?]

Thank you, and Have a nice day.


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  #13

Hi, I got the H visa for this year... what is the so much desired advantage about the H visa? because after bbb's coment on the J visa I am confused...

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  #14

thanks jilly and bbb... I just got my step 3 result and I passed so I can pursue my H1 application now. I'd rather wait for my GC petition on H1 than cancel my GC petition and get J1. Thanks for your advice...

  #15

BBB is right,

If you want to complete residency and start working, then H1b is what you need. If you are looking for fellowship, then J1 is more beneficious. I'm about to start my fellowship application, I have H1 and my seniors keep telling me how difficult is to get position if you ask for H1 as well... is like a bad thing in your resume.


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  #16

Completely agree with bbb and Ishter.

For fellowships, there are few who sponsor H1. J1 is a better choice. To answer paheli's comment. If you are from China, Philipine or India, it is highly unlikely that your GC will be processed by the time you apply for fellowships. I know for sure that people of Indian citizenship are waiting for Gc process and applications rcvd in 2002 are being processed at present. So GC is not happening for the fellowship applications.

If you are in "rest of world " category for GC, then there is a chance that if your program sponsors GC in beginning of your 2nd year of residency, you may have the EAD and possibly GC, by the time you finish your residency. Again, there are few programs who sponsor GC that early in residency. Most in pennsylvania do.

Good Luck with your choices.

PS: Ishter, How is it going? It has been ling time. How is residency treating you? I am also preparing for fellowship applications this year.
paheli wrote:
Hi, bbb. Thanks for your patient replies.

You mentioned a relative ease to bag Fellowships if on a J1, since Fellowships sponsor only J1s. What if an applicant were to do Residency on H1, then eventually gets a GC, THEN applies for a Fellowship. Is there any obvious disadvantage/difficulty in getting into a Fellowship a few years after completion of Residency[the way Residency progs prefer fresh grads rather than old grads?]

Thank you, and Have a nice day.



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  #17

Thanks moozy. That's cleared one doubt in my mind, and created another! Sorry.

How is it looked on if an applicant applies for F'ship a few years after completion of Residency? Say, finish Residency in 2008, get a job for a few years, then begin applying for F'ship say in 2010 or 2011. Will that place one at a disadvantage? coz that person would not be fresh out of residency. Any such preferences for F'ship progs [the way residency progs prefer fresh med sch grads] That way, I'm thinking, would allow the applicant to do residency on H1, work a couple of years on the same status, while GC is under processing, then apply for F'ship on GC.

Sorry for the long post, I hope it's not confusing. Thanks.


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  #18

I dont know the answer to that question.

BBB may be able to throw some light on it.


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  #19

Fellowships do look at fresh residency grads with more favour. Just as residency programs look at fresh med school grads closer.
paheli wrote:
Thanks moozy. That's cleared one doubt in my mind, and created another! Sorry.

How is it looked on if an applicant applies for F'ship a few years after completion of Residency? Say, finish Residency in 2008, get a job for a few years, then begin applying for F'ship say in 2010 or 2011. Will that place one at a disadvantage? coz that person would not be fresh out of residency. Any such preferences for F'ship progs [the way residency progs prefer fresh med sch grads] That way, I'm thinking, would allow the applicant to do residency on H1, work a couple of years on the same status, while GC is under processing, then apply for F'ship on GC.

Sorry for the long post, I hope it's not confusing. Thanks.



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bbb - trying to combine common sense and humour into realistic answers, but not going to guess on anyone's chances of getting into a position....

  #20

Thanks, bbb. I'll definitely keep that in mind, I certainly don't want to walk on that line b/w fresh-old grad!shaking head

Thanks again to moozy too. Hope your intern year is going good!smiling face


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  #21

Thank you Isther. Thats the aswer I needed. smiling face

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