Anamgarcia
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Dear all:
I have been hearing from a lot of people that this year was a specially tough one for IMGs It really seems to me that they thow that every year, but in reality it is equally tough this year as it was theprevious one.
Can you give me any objective insight as to what is the situation for the people going to the 2008 match?
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| Justice
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nicely timed question... the process isn't over yet for this year, how do people know?
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| arlete
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One program I know received around 400 more applications than last year, I don't know if that's what it's about.
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| robin082006
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On average, each program received 3000 applications this year.
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| Anamgarcia
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I seem to hear that statement every year o this pragram got 100's more applications than the year before...
the residents say ooo this year everybody is 99/99/99 so it is really hard...
but then again you go and check the previous year's stats, although the number is slightly higher i must say it is not so much higher. also I have not met the first 99/99/99 I have met people with good scores but NOBODY is 99/99/99
I also met people with very bad scores that match ....
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| medicus_81
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It's hard to say if the incresed number is due to more applicants or more applications. If we made a poll to see how many applications people sent at average I am sure the number would be at least around 50. Each year people try to play it safe and safer therefore the number of applications increases dramatically. I sent only 29. But there are others who sent 120+.....Now if every FMG sends 60+ applications (thinking this would increse his/her chances of getting an inteview) the programs get slammed with thousands of applications...It's a vicious circle.
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| mazinger
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I applied to a 100 programs... 
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| GOGETA
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So if you have someone with low scores and long time out of schools the logic is to apply as much as they can to the potential hospitals that can give them an interview.
So lets say that you apply for 100 IM,FM,Ophtalmo and 30 Psych
And from there you get 10-15 interviews
Now you need at least that one of the rank you high and that you rank them high to.
And have in mind also you have the 99/99/99 people competing agaisnt you.
And there you have the reason why is getting harder and the programs are getting slam with applicastions
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| babydoc4usmle
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i don't know the situation with NRMP match, but i do know the situation with SF Match
this year all programs where i interviewed told me that they had indreas in number of applications
when statistics were issued, it became apparent, that number of applicants DECREASED, but average number of applications submitted INCREASED
i do not exclude the same situation in NRMP "world" - aproximately the same (or slightly increased) number of candidates submit to much higher number of programs on average, and as a result we witness an increased number of "applicants", which is only an illusion....though this kind of situation does crease increased numbe in denials, and that creates increased competitiveness....
we just have to sit and wait
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| prueba
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If we check the reports every year the ECFMG sends to all IMGs in the process, we can get an idea of how it has been in the last 5 years for Non-US IMGs...
I made a graph based on the following data:
2007: "Of the 6,992 IMG participants who were not U.S. citizens, 3,180 (45.5%) obtained first-year positions. The number of non-U.S. citizen IMGs who obtained positions in 2007 increased by 29 compared to last year. This is the sixth consecutive year that there has been an increase in the number of non-U.S. citizen IMGs matching to first-year positions"
2006: "Of the 6,442 IMG participants who were not U.S. citizens, 3,151 (48.9%) obtained first year positions. The number of non-U.S. citizen IMGs who obtained positions in 2006 increased by 64 compared to last year"
2005: "Of the 5,554 IMG participants who were not U.S. citizens, 3,087 (55.6%) obtained first year positions. The number of non-U.S. citizen IMGs who obtained positions in 2005 increased by 117 compared to last year. This is the fourth consecutive year that there has been an increase in the number of non-U.S. citizen IMGs matching to first year positions"
2004: "Of the 5,671 IMG participants who were not U.S. citizens, 2,970 (52.4%) obtained positions"
2003: "Of the 5,029 IMG participants who were not U.S. citizens, 2,799 (55.7%) obtained positions."
2002: "Of the 4,556 IMG participants who were citizens of other countries, 2,335 or 51.3% were matched to residency positions.
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This is enough evidence to me that it is getting more competitive ....Altough there are a few more openings every year ........ And if we also consider the increase in the number of graduates from US medical schools, the "increase of doctors from the UK", plus the pool from applicants from the previous match it will probably be like last year....
Since the ECFMG gets lots of money from IMGs it's probably not a bad idea to say that "AGAIN MORE IMGS ARE MATCHING"....
I hope at least that most of the people from the forum match
Good luck to everybody...
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| babydoc4usmle
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that all makes perfect sense....absolute number does not goes down, PERCENTAGE does (due to increased # of applicants but relatively stable number of spots filled by IMGs.....
no surprise there.......
indeed, good luck
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| prueba
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of course we have no clue what happens with prematch....has it increased? decreased?.... are there better candidates every year? probably yes... everybody agrees, at least, that high scores are very common now.....
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| smal
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excellent job peruba
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| babydoc4usmle
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interesting....
if we could have total number of spots, number "declared" for Match, and number of position filled (or unfilled), we could find out how many pre-matches are there....
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| Anamgarcia
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thank you all.... I was not expecting so many elaborated posts and such an active discussion. I am obviously going to the match this year and that is why I care.
Everybody around me got pre matched and I seem to see the same people over and over in the interviews, so I figured that I might indeed match. Pray for me
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| whiterabbit
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Excellent Job Prueba......
From my many talks with IMGS its indeed getting harder...and most IMGS are getting only 3-4 IVS.......
God Help Us....Pray for me too...I shall pray that we all find our place in this world.
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| GOGETA
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prueba can you do the same for US IMG
thanks
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| dermdoc57
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Hi guys.Don't you see US capitalism at work.Each of us applying for at least 50 or more programs.who makes money? It is AAMC and et al. It is common knowledge that 80% of these applications see the shredder.
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| babydoc4usmle
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and yet, every year number of applications is growing, and we are willing to take a chance with "capitalism @work"....
let's not complain....
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| whiterabbit
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Its not that we have to complain; more importantly we have to be cognizant of the truth. We should be aware of the real situation and plan accordingly.
I think we all are grateful for a shot at a spot here in US. But we also need to be aware of the bitter truth.
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| sarvesh
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Dear dermdoc57,
The no. of applicants increases every year and naturally revenue also goes up. But it seems that AAMC is not compelling anyone of us to join the race. It for our benefit we are trying hard to get a position. Better keep our hopes high and relax rather than being worried about the asset of AAMC.
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| prueba
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I've been looking a bit deeper in the situation, and it looks like it is much better than 10-20 years ago....the match rates for IMGs have fluctuated in a range of 21 up to 63 percent....so it's not as bad as it seems.... possibly this year could increase....let's see.... and yes!, it's great to have the chance to continue our education here.
here's a chart with the outcomes in the last 25 years based on yearly publications on the Journal of Medical Education, Academic Medicine, ECFMG...
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| prueba
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| prueba
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GOGETA wrote:
prueba can you do the same for US IMG
thanks
the results are similar for US IMGs with less applicants....
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| prueba
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I will try (if I have more time later) to check what happens with people that withdrew from the match...it seems that when there's a higher percentage of withdrawal from the match there are less people matching...which could maybe reflect the amount of prematches
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