binazeer
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UCSF-Fresno almost all Programs: these are including the one that I am 100% sure about them, maybe the rate of firing is even hire in some programs:
the ER program fired the fourth year American resident
the FP Program fired two FMG interns
the Surgery Program fired second year American resident
the IM Program is the worst: From 2004 through this year they fired 1 to 2 interns or residents every year! although all of them were FMG. The Chief of Medicine and the Program Director are very racist. Don't rank this program if you are from Middle east!!
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| Moozy
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i dont believe some one can fire a resident unless there has been a gorss negligence. My program fired 2 people last year, One was a FMG and one US citizen. The reasons were that the FMG was involved in stalking and harassing a fellow FMG intern and the US citizen intern had performed a pelvic examination on a patient eventhough she had refused clearly and I am not sure what happened exactly, but the lady complained about it and th guy was fired. (he was a prelim).
Anyways, the point is.. i have the impression they will not hire you if they are a racist.... they cant' kick u out of program for that.. they have to find a reason which states that u are unsafe doctor.
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| babydoc4usmle
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to be honest, it is very weird that prelim intern was fired without any mitigation.
what i was told (repeatedly by few programs), that no one fires residents just like that.
if there is a problem, program takes steps to fix it and if it doesn't work then resident gets fired.... but like that? not good
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| bbb
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I find it really wierd that this person joined and the first comment was to complain about a program. We don't know his person or the history of this program.
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| binazeer
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Theoretically, you all are right, but practically it is what exactly happened.
As far as I talked to a lot of PDs by myself, all of them stated that it is very very rare that a program fired an intern or resident without any acceptable reason, still it is not impossible! I don't know what exactly happened to the interns and residents in ER,FP and Surg program but i do know exactly what happened to the interns and residents in IM program:
why did I start this thread? because there are few programs in the USA that hire FMGs but really don't like them. So if they don't like the FMG why do they hire them? the answer is very obvious, because they have to!!
if there is a PD that doesn't like the FMG and his hospital place in the city that most AMG don't go there, s/he has only two choices either close the program or hire the FMG. so hiring FMG is not always meaning that the the program is FMG friendly and it is why I started this thread.
Please read this very carefully and share it with other friends that had interview in UCSF-Fresno IM Prg.
If you take a look at for the unfilled program from 2003 to 2007 you will find out that the match rate for UCSF-Fresno was 0 out of 4 in 2003 and 4 out of 6 in 2004 and suddenly they got 100% match rate after that.
They strategy is very clear!! they try to offer pre-match to as many as good candidate possible. then in their rank list, they choose those candidates that are older or have LOWER USMLE SCORE and they know the possibility that these candidates are matched in other programs are pretty low. they put these candidates in their low rank list and in case that the higher ranked list doctors don't match, they are pretty sure that they still can show 100% match rate by taking those doctors that in reality they never choose them if they had real choice!!
So from the first day of the internship, those low rank doctors will be under the microscope, they will be single out and even for doing nothing wrong, will go to remediation, probation and dismissal procedure no matter how good they are, or how much other attending or residents happy with their work!! There are always the Chief residents and some attending that exactly do what ever the PD says so that there is always some attending that not happy with their work!! Remediation and Probation mean that for the months that you work in program the PD won’t give them any credits!! If they know that you are alone in this country and don’t have enough money to file the law suit, the possibility that get dismiss is even higher!!
So why do they want to get rid of those doctors? Because the PD believe they maybe not good enough for his program. they showed 100% passing rate in Board exam for the last few years. but nobody asked them how many interns or residents they dismissed before those possible weaker interns could reach to the third year?!! And attempt the board!
If you are an old graduate or have a low USMLE Score they believe that it is the high possibility that you can not pass the Board at the first attempt and this is the thing that they don’t want to be happened even if their act result in destroy a career and future of those IMGs.
I am not saying not to rank this Program. As a matter of fact, although they have a very very busy hospital, they just opened Cardiology and Pulmonary fellowship. They will be opened the ID fellowship very soon and there is a high possibility to open ICU/PUL and GI fellowship too!!
They did all of these progress by putting the high volume of work and stress in their residents and dismiss those that at the first place just had matched them to use them as a slave!
In summary, if you are the old graduate with low USMLE Score, pls don’t make a mistake and don’t rank this program!! Otherwise you will regret a lot! On the other hand if you are a new grad with the good USMLE score, you should be ready that one or two of your class be fired by the end of the first year! and you are the one that should go under a lot of pressure to make everything up!
If anybody has questions it is more than welcome to ask. If you believe I am bias, just call the program coordinator and ask for the e-mail of some second or third residents (just tell her you have some questions about renting!) I can provide you the e-mails but I prefer that you get it by yourself. Ask those residents, how many interns just dismissed or left the program recently! and what was the reason of their dismissal, and how good they were?these questions will help you a lot to make a right decision!
By the way, I will really appreciate it if anybody can give me a number of any attorney that has experience in residency program and had won a case court against any residency program!
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| robin082006
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I also saw your post in another usmle forum binazeer.
I know a doctor from my country, she finished her IM there and got ID fellowship in a good University.
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| binazeer
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Robin082006
I didn't get your point.
I have friends over there that either went to a good fellowship or working as a hospitalist in a very good hospital. did I mention that they dismissed everybody?!!, or did I say if anybody goes there couldn't get fellowship?!!!
I was dismissed very unfairly few years ago. I didn't have any support or money to file a Law suit at that time. Now I have both money and support and I don't let this program does what ever they did again to any FMGs. I got more upset when found out that they dismissed several interns almost every year after me, with the same excuse.
if you are one of them just let them now that I will post my note not only to all forums that I know but later in newspaper, TV and .........
So far I found 3 interns that were dismissed from that program very unfairly. and when I find the attorney that I am looking for, you will see what will be happened to this program.
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| TOM1980
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Binazeer, how many years ago did that happen? I mean is the PD the same? Did u find another residency position?
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| Korotkoff
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Pretty scary bro/sis. Sorry to hear that. But I have a piece of advice for you. You ought to edit your post. The one which calls the program "r****". I have no deep knowledge about internet libel but they can get you in trouble again. What you have to do is talk to a lawyer. I guess you can file a lawsuit if you have good reason for what you have said. Filing lawsuit doesn't necessarily mean you have to win. I understand you are upset. Don't you think they can read this forum? Internet is a jungle.
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| binazeer
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Thank you Korotkoff for your advice and support.
As a matter of fact, I have more than enough documents to prove how racist this program is. So I am looking forward to seeing them on the court.
you guys that read this post, please share it to as many as friends that you have. I need to find all interns and residents that were dismissed from this program.
if you read my post you would know that I am looking for a good attorney. I talked with some but my preference is somebody that already had experience in residency program.
my friends, please ask your friends and let me know if anybody knows the attorney that has experience with the same problem that I had.
Tom1980, sorry, I couldn't answer any of your questions here but as far as I know those people that were dismissed me from that program are still there, maybe their position change a little bit but still THE BOSS is just one person, no matter if he is the chief of medicine, program director or......!!!
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| TOM1980
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Hi binazeer, thanks for the reply. I asked you if you found a residency position because if a resident has problems with a program and they fire him or abuse him during the whole residency period, even if he takes them to court and the court punishes them, if he cant find another position it s still a disaster. I say there is no verdict that will make other programs to hire him and considering the fact that there are plenty of candidates available I m sure that almost all the other programs will prefer somebody who is more docile instead of him.
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| gingko
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[quote=binazeer]I am not saying not to rank this Program.
In summary, if you are the old graduate with low USMLE Score, pls don’t make a mistake and don’t rank this program!!
understandably you are upset, but you are contradicting your own statements..
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| binazeer
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Hi ginko,
No I don't. I believe my post is very clear for those that not supporting the program!!
Again, I emphasize :
1-Don't rank this program if you are old graduate or have a low usmle score, otherwise you probably the one that either goes to remediation and probation or be dismiss.
2- on the other hand, you could rank this program if you are new grad with good usmle score and have plan for fellowship (this program just opened some felloship) but consider that with this very busy hospital you will be short in one or two interns when you are going to second year!!
and Tom1980:
I believe if any one that was fired unfairly from any programs just had fight regardless of winning or loosing, other programs don't dare to fire FMGs without having acceptable reason.
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| dermdoc57
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Dear binazeer.Keep up your fight and give the PDs the taste of their own medicine.US is a country that claims free speech and freedom of expression.Crooks are found in every profession but medical profession leads every other for we are used to abuse and seldom complain.
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| binazeer
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Hi dermdoc57,
Thank you for your comment. Don't worry, I will fight with them. Just follow the news!
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