puchpal
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I just had this curiousity in my mind,
though I am well aware that 50% of us are not going to match
but whats the idea, if anybody has
Which priority does an average IMG match.
of course we are not discussing the stellar IMG's who get to their top program.
All inputs will be appreciated
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| doc.arian
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Well, I feel this would depend a lot on where you interviewed.
If you have interviewed at an average place(for us, there is nothing average, but I mean average by American standards), even if there were AMG's with you at the interview, the program doesn't rank them very highly as they by experience know, that most likely the AMG is not going to rank them highly.
From my understanding, the Program's first priority is not to go unmatched. 2nd is to get as best candidates as it can 3rd is to not to go way down in the list of matching, as others programs can get to see where a particular program's matching list ended. So, its kind of a Prestige matter.
I don't want to sound like an expert but that's what I have learned from current residents and fellows.
And yes, that's true, that at a very good program, in a reasonably descent city, its hard to match unless you are a stellar IMG.
That's my opinion, would love to hear more info on this interesting topic...
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| nadiabarati
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based on NRMP statistics, %52 of independent applicants match in their first choices. %19, %10, %6 in their second, third and fourth choices respectively.
%11 matches in their over fourth ranked program.
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| nadiabarati
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the percentages are related to MATCHED independent applicants based on their rank order list.
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| puchpal
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I think the AMG's have a 52% chance of
matching at the first priority..
I usually have heard from my friends in residencies usually matching at the
4th place at an average.
i would sure like to get more feedback from other people.
good luck to all for the match
"P"
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| cuadrado_g
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I think it depends of how competitive is the program and if they the ratio of AMG:IMG
You can ask somebody in the program where was the last position where they filled the last time (lets say until position #40). SO that means that if they like you and they want you to MATCH with them they will rank you at least in the 40th position, hoping that you will match.
I heard as well that IMGs usually match in their first 5 ROL, so I understand that if u are offered a prematch from any of them it would be healthy to accept it. On the other hand, you should have at least 9 interviews in order to increase your posibilities of matching (75%) according to the NRMP data. Do you guys think those stadistics are true for IMGs as well?
SOmetimes I dont agree, or I agree where the program is 100% IMG but in those programs that are mixed and have more AMG than IMG, I sometimes doubt. I will let you know why: I know a program who got 700 aplications for 7 positions (so the ratio is 1:100); 50 where AMG and the rest (650) IMGs. Now they are calling just 70 (10:1 ratio) for interview. (dont ask me how I know this, but its true). Until now it looks good if you made it until the IV.
However when you see the actual residents in this program (PGY2s), 5 where AMG and 2 where IMG. I dont know if they called all the 50 AMG to IV; so lets say they called 25. In reality AMGs are competing in a ratio of 5:1 (5 people for 1 position). And IMGs are competing in a real ratio of 45 IVs for 2 positions (22:1 ratio aprox)
one more thing. when they say "we will rank you" for me it means that they are interested in you, that they would be OK if you match with them BUT that dont means that they will rank you high enough for you being likely to actually match with them. It says something else about PDs behavior: they will NOT RANK all the applycants.
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| puchpal
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Of course programs definately dont rank all of us
I have an inside info about two good amg-img mix programs
and I am very sure they rank only about half of the applicants
so if we get a letter from a prog , in any form.
it means they are gonna rank us.....
My question basically , about an average img. not some of our friends here
who have rejected 3-4 prematches, about people who just did averagely
well in the interviews, with average credentials,
where on the ROL they usually match?????
and I perfectly agree with the fact that for an AMG and an IMG
there are different ratios for everything...
and thats what we need to discuss.
any input shall be highly appreciated,
and square(cuardado) u rightly said , about these 6 weeks
I just dont want to commit suicide, waiting for the match day
the base level anxiety I am having nowadays will
put any GAD patient to shame......
I just want some body to give me an anaesthesia
and wake me up on march 17th, if I match....
ok guys GOOD LUCK to all
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| cuadrado_g
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Ok so what does it means to be "an average IMG"...puchpal, why dont u read my post of the "superb IMG" and now give your ideas of his antithesis, the "average IMG"?...Another idea, lets say that each charateristic of the superb IMG gives him one point. If u make more less than 5 points you are average, more than 5 you are close to the superb and so on and so forth
why we dont discuss also the weaknesess of the superb or the ones that are close to that ideal IMG: too confident as u said puchpal, rejecting good prematches and aiming for highly regarded programs, those who say "we are IMG friendly" but actually have 10% to 0% of IMGs. maybe those cases, the average IMG is more likely to match than the superb one. and now lets talk about the superb programs and the average ones: somebody said that the 3rd priority of any program is to match their positions not going too far in their ROL; so...the solution is to make the ROL according to our preferences.
the superb can only match in one place...and will give empy spots for the rest of averages ones. If any applicant made it for being in the ROL at any position has opportunity to match.
anybody who gets more than 9 IVs is 75% likely to match, if less, its OK to have a plan B and C and D and E (being E suicide haha). Seriously, not matching is not the end of the world, is time for working in weak points....to transfigurate from the Average to the Superb IMG ! Amen
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