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 rang a uni program yesterday to find out the status of my application.PC took my call ,said they had received around 3000 applications. The PD looked at all the applications she could. shortlisting was done and all interviews have gone,mostly to people who had local adresses or who had been recommended by residents( these are her words) .they have a back up list which includes same people.On my specific Q she said without hesitation that there is every possibility that my application was not seen at all.
very upsetting and demoralising.................
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| elektra_cr
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This is unbelievable, now besides, great scores, USCE LORS, years of graduation , publications and other achievements we need to have conexions or live near the area of x hospital in order to be a possible candidate for a program!!!
This is too much to handle.........................
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| irock
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Hey Uphill
May I ask if the program is in New York state?
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| gingko
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this is the second incident i've heard today itself of programs not even looking at a significant number of applications..wonder how many more do so..
just makes me feel now that the system here is the best in the world not by it's independent virtues, but because it is worst elsewhere..
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| bbb
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not any different from the days when applications were mailed to programs.
It sucks, it's horrible, but it's way of the world......
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| moe214
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bbb wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not any different from the days when applications were mailed to programs.
It sucks, it's horrible, but it's way of the world......
but why does A UNIVERSITY PROGRAM PC has to be so blunt about it ??couldnt she come up with some other story??
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| uphill
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would that make things any better?
was she taken offguard?
why did she say that?
i dont know. all i know that the what u hear and guess by seeing the people who r invited to the interviews was confirmed .
what bothers me is how many more interviews did i deserve if my application was seen and if seen was considered without looking at my address or contacts in the program.
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| gingko
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uphill wrote:
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what bothers me is how many more interviews did i deserve if my application was seen and if seen was considered without looking at my address or contacts in the program.
but that is exactly the fact that gives me solace..i may be deserving of more, I probably gave my best, the rest was something i couldnt control and was maybe unfair, but when similar situations arise in the future, I know I can play my part..
for now I am thankful that atleast 23 programs had the time and resources to spare from their"busy schedule"to look for 5 minutes at the application of someone who spent 1 year(525600 minutes)creating that application.
whining???yes...why???because i cannot make CNN expose the hypocrisy that is resident selection.
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| zrf80
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Im a US citizen that went to an offshore medical school. I just thank my lucky stars that this country gives me the OPPORTUNITY to work and thrive here. I think we all should reflect on this from time to time.
Are American grads treated differently and more justly than IMGs ? YES. But they are done so justifiably. They have worked their butts off in THIS country so that they could thrive in THIS country. They deserve to be put in their number 1 ranked spots and in the residencies of their choice. The fact that the system is willing to extend the courtesy to me, an outside grad, is good enough for me.
Get into a program. Any program.........50 years from now........your patient wont care whether you did your residency from Harvard or from Harvey Community Program.
Have a nice day...........
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| wolverine9
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moe214 wrote:
but why does A UNIVERSITY PROGRAM PC has to be so blunt about it ??couldnt she come up with some other story??
I'd rather have a PC be frank and honest about it than come up with some story, wouldn't you??
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| gingko
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zrf..the point of discussion is not about IMGs or AMGs and the thread has nothing that implies such..nobody here believes(certainly not me) that i should get a position of which an AMG is deserving...
why does this kind of discussion always boil down to AMGs vs IMGs??? and why do so many people believe that an IMG is a beggar who should be satisfied with whatever alms fall into his/her bowl and who has got no choice..no sir, the case is I percieved that i have a better chance here, so i found out what the criteria for selection was, worked hard to satisfy that criteria and programs were satisfied with my efforts and selected me..What reason is there to believe that anybody has done anybody a favor??? and there is the age old debate of why a country allows foreigners??? charity or the country's need?? if it were charity, so many software and other engineers wouldnt have to return back, not finding refuge here...
the point of discussion was that in the endeavor i outlined above, nobody made it clear that the process has a few caveats..that my application might not even be seen..(when every program writes that they dont look at scores but review the "whole application")or i may be rejected because i am an "oldie"
please dont think that armageddon is here for AMGs..if that were the case, the doors would long have closed for IMGs, like U.K..and please also dont think that anybody is doing you a favor..you've earned it and done everything that you were asked to do
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| CocaCola
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after all this hard work (USMLEs, USCE, pub, etc...) to hear you have been shortlisted due to geographic location is hard...
however guys lets be practical... between managing and scheduling residents, deciding budgets, and other admin duties, PDs and PCs must now weed through thousands of applications to find the 12-50 residents they require to fill new positions... do you really think its possible to devote a few minutes to every application?
say a program gets 3000 applications - at five minutes per application = 15000 minutes = 250 hrs = 31 days (8 hr days)... it would take a program 1 month to review applications or six weeks with weekends off... this is not counting the other duties they have to give attention... its just not feasible... and it would happen in any profession which receives that many applications for so few positions!
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| gingko
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solutions:
1. increase the application fee to 35 bucks. The additional 10 would go to the program. Thus, each program recieving 3000 applications would get 30,000 bucks.
Hire one person, give him 30,000 dollars to work 3 months, 8hours a day only to screen each application carefully, with strict preset guidelines. I am sure after spending thousands of dollars, no applicant would mind 1000 dollars more to ensure that his/her application recieves atleast a look.
2. Restrict the number of programs that one can apply to 80.
3.Restrict the number of branches one can apply to. Hordes of people apply to IM. pediatrics, psychiatry, FP at the same time. If this is not feasible, make a rule that anybody who applies to more than one faculty, can apply only to a cumulative total of 120 programs.
4. Limit the time frame for applications to the first 2 days of september(for IMGs only). First come, first serve..period. If u want a residency, keep the application ready, or wait one more year.
5. As soon as anybody gets 12 interviews, programs would be notified by ERAS and he/she would be automatically rejected by the rest. With the limit of 80 programs, you would be careful in selecting your programs, so chances are the 12 interviews contain programs of ur choice. You might say that there is a possiblity that average programs would invite you first and before good programs invite you, you might reach the limit. Well, that would prompt us to be extra cautious while making our application.
6. Anybody cancelling interviews would have to pay 25 bucks per each cancelled interview. People(me included)get more than 20 interviews, go to 5, get tired and cancel 5 even before prematch and obviously cancel all on prematcing. People might have to shell out 700-1000 extra bucks, but what the hell..you've got a residency. The additional revenue could be used to improve the system further.
7. If all the above suggestions are not feasible, come up with other solutions.
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| criticaldoc
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great,
but such things are only thought when program are facing some adverse outcome because of this mess, like say after conducting 100 interviews and ranking 30 applicants program still is not able to feel all its 10 seats. In this situation def your suggestions will be considered.
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| moe214
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i'd like to make a motion..gingko for "ERAS PRESIDENT"!!!!
only Q i have... on 1st come 1st serve..why not AMGS???
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| moe214
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criticaldoc wrote:
great,
but such things are only thought when program are facing some adverse outcome because of this mess, like say after conducting 100 interviews and ranking 30 applicants program still is not able to feel all its 10 seats. In this situation def your suggestions will be considered.
why would they interview 100 for 30 positions?????
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| moe214
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how about making the scramble time frame longer..let say 10 days..
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| moe214
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6. Anybody cancelling interviews would have to pay 25 bucks per each cancelled interview. People(me included)get more than 20 interviews, go to 5, get tired and cancel 5 even before prematch and obviously cancel all on prematcing. People might have to shell out 700-1000 extra bucks, but what the hell..you've got a residency. The additional revenue could be used to improve the system further.
ginko i dont think the applicant should be penalized for accepting a prematch...may be he/she should be rewarded instead 4 canceling..lets impose a prematch fee of "$$$$" on programs for every applicant they take in this way!!!!
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| moe214
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moe214 wrote:
why would they interview 100 for 10 positions?????
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| criticaldoc
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moe214 wrote:moe214 wrote:
why would they interview 100 for 10 positions?????
that is what every program does
number of applicants invited for interview is 10 times the number of seats they offer, and number of applicants they rank is usually 3 times number of applicants. they dont rank remaining 70% of candidates and if they want to rank the remaining 70% of candidates they have to pay in the NRMP match.
so program does have to pay for its own security and to make sure that all its positions are filled and they dont have to go to scramble.
So if there happens to a lot of unmatched positions in the program due to same pools of applicants interviewing everywhere then definately something like what Ginko is suggesting will be implemented.
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| tomalawol
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If the US does not need anymore IMG or can only accept US citizen graduated from foreign medical schools and we will be able to participate in some clinical rotations in some American hospitals which will be considered as USCE the organization called ECFMG should be clear and honest like they did in the UK where GMC directly said that only in case of lack the candidates from the UK or EU we can consider different applicants and I respect this desidion. But I cannot understand American version of open competition when the candidate with score of 76/77 who is US citizen graduated from Russian medical school (no entrance exam) can enter IM residency program but some Asian graduates from highly competitive medical schols in their countries with scores above 90 are not even invited for the interviews. I know a few cases like that from my experiences so it is something wrong with this system. With all my respect to great American medical educational system where I participated in exchange student program in one of the best medical school in the US, physical examination, patients notes and internal medicine clinical rotation is pretty similar everywhere in the world. I just think that the US has historical tendency to continue showing that everybody can realize the dream "no matter where are you from it is important where you are going" It was working this for me because I accepted prematch but there is no question that this system needs some changes and is not fair for many outstanding IMG.
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