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MD is the degree in the USA from the school. You get it when you graduate. When you pass the steps, it doesn't give a MBBS an MD degree, it just means that you pass the steps.
Most residencies are not a degree program.
When you finished accredited residency in the US, you can sit for the American Boards - then you are board eligible. When you pass the boards you are board certified. If you are an MBBS, MBChB, etc, and pass the boards, it doesn't give you a degree of MD. That you would still have to get from your school.
MD vs overseas degrees are kindof interchangable, but not officially the same.
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Once you are MBBCH is it possible to get an MD?
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bbb wrote:
If you are an MBBS, MBChB, etc, and pass the boards, it doesn't give you a degree of MD. That you would still have to get from your school.
MD vs overseas degrees are kindof interchangable, but not officially the same.
so, in other words a MBBS who passes the boards is referred to as board certified, not MD......did i get it right? only AMGs are MDs?
Edited by silver on 12/30/07 - 12:42 PM
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MBBS = bachalor of medicine and bachalor of surgery
It is a medical degree granted to those graduated from the commonwealth countries, and is equivalent to the MD degree anywhere else.
You obtain your MD degree the day you receive your certificate claiming that you have graduated from medical school; it has nothing to do with the USMLE. USMLE is as the name implies, a medical license exam a MD needs pass in order to practise medicine in the States.
In other words, MD simply means doctor. Every medical graduate, AMG and FMG alike can call themselves MDs, if you read NEJM, JAMA, BMJ etc, all doctors entitle themselves MD even if they don’t come from the States.
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World wide isnt it more prestigious to be an MD not an MBBCH (the one they give here)?
Can I just say Im an MD?
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well if you go to UK and call yourself an MD they will look at you hmm so !! cos they believe that their system is far better and better equips the doctor to work in difficult conditions.
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Thanks bbb and all of you.
The HR of my company told me to use bachalor of medicine instead of MD in my resume. They said they cannot verify that I have MD, but they are sure I'm bachalor of medicine.
There are some jobs in the goverment require MD, can we apply those jobs? But if we can never be a MD, we will never get those jobs. 
So, pass step 1 + step 2 ck + cs = board certified or pass all steps = board certified ?
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ing wrote:
So, pass step 1 + step 2 ck + cs = board certified or pass all steps = board certified ?
bbb wrote:
When you finished accredited residency in the US, you can sit for the American Boards - then you are board eligible. When you pass the boards you are board certified.
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Thanks new_n_lost. I was confused by board eligible and board certified. I found the definition on the internet.
Board eligible: Board eligible in medicine means that a physician has completed the requirements for admission to a medical specialty board examination but has not taken and passed that examination.
Board certified in medicine, by contrast, means a physician has taken and passed a medical specialty examination.
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Yeah its almost the same.
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MD is every person who is licencesed or under-supervision (post-graduate) Doctor who treats patient in the US. That includes AMG and IMG, don't confuse everybody here with your false statements.
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It's an error not to call MD some other Doctors who are IMG in your residency training when they are full competent to handle the same situations an AMG would. Ph degree is another title which stands for doctorate and is given to Doctors who outstand in research, developments or contribute incredibly to Medical Science.
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keller wrote: don't confuse everybody here with your false statements.
Who are you referring to ??
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Doctor of Medicine (M.D. or MD, from the Latin Medicinae Doctor meaning "Teacher of Medicine,") is an academic degree for medical doctors. It varies between countries, from being a first professional degree (medical diploma), to being a relatively rare higher doctoral academic research degree (usually if granted outside of the US and Canada).
Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery, or in Latin Medicinæ Baccalaureus et Baccalaureus Chirurgiæ (abbreviated MB BChir, MB BCh, MB ChB, BM BS, MB BS etc.), are the two degrees awarded after a course of undergraduate study in medicine and surgery at a university in the United Kingdom and other places following its usage, such as medical schools in India, Australia, Egypt, Hong Kong (People's Republic of China), Iraq, Malaysia, Singapore, Republic of China (Taiwan), Myanmar, New Zealand, Jamaica, South Africa, Nigeria, Sri Lanka, Sudan, and Pakistan.
The naming suggests that they are two separate degrees; however, in practice, they are usually treated as one.
(At Oxford and Cambridge it is/was possible to be awarded the two degrees on different dates.)
Those holding the degree(s) and practising medicine are usually referred to as "Doctor" and use the prefix "Dr".
The degrees are often used as the Commonwealth equivalent of what is known elsewhere as the degree of Doctor of Medicine (MD).[citation needed] In countries that award bachelors' degrees in medicine, however, the MD refers to a Higher Doctorate, and is reserved for medical practitioners who do research and submit a thesis in the field of medicine.
Edited by new_n_lost on 12/30/07 - 07:23 PM. Reason: merged 2 posts
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Again:
" The degrees are often used as the Commonwealth equivalent of what is known elsewhere as the degree of Doctor of Medicine (MD)."
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I'm referring to bbb who says MD title is just granted to AMG. It is well known that every allopathic medical schools who are in the WHO or IMED give the equivalent title to MD title granted in the US. The problem here is that we tend to belive that MD title shouldn't be born by IMG. In fact, most old AMG teach you to add MD at the end of your name whether you are an AMG or not. It's a matter of protection to the MD title which, in most countries, the term Doctor is starting to dissapear and the use of Medics is growing, giving the Doctor title only to those who bear a Ph digree. We all are Medical Doctors or "Doctors of Medicine" since we all know we, Doctors, experience new knowledge in every patient we see and contribute to Medical Science by spreading the experience and TEACHING it to a new generation of Doctors.
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what is the most common personality disorder among MDs?
probably here is the worst place to joke about it 
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What i was asking:
Hopefully, after I graduate and get my MBBBBHH (what ever), is there any way that i can get an MD also? through an exam or something? You know alot of people are ignorants, they need to see the MD next to your name!
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keller,
man its just the name of the degree MD or MBBS, different countries call it different names. it has nothing to do with what you know or your experience.
What bbb said was correct!
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keller wrote:
I'm referring to bbb who says MD title is just granted to AMG. It is well known that every allopathic medical schools who are in the WHO or IMED give the equivalent title to MD title granted in the US. The problem here is that we tend to belive that MD title shouldn't be born by IMG. In fact, most old AMG teach you to add MD at the end of your name whether you are an AMG or not. It's a matter of protection to the MD title which, in most countries, the term Doctor is starting to dissapear and the use of Medics is growing, giving the Doctor title only to those who bear a Ph digree. We all are Medical Doctors or "Doctors of Medicine" since we all know we, Doctors, experience new knowledge in every patient we see and contribute to Medical Science by spreading the experience and TEACHING it to a new generation of Doctors. '
Look essentially i should bear the title which i was awarded to me regardless of the disappearence of the term or its implications.
AMGs are awarded MD titles as per the Rules and Regulations of the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) and Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) which are monitored by the http://www.ama-assn.org/> American Medical Association (AMA) .
Now if one simply adopts the Title MD arent they falsifying records?? The title conferred to a person should not be changed unless the ruling for a change has been adopted by the concerned authorities.
So pointing out this difference and causing a bit of a ruckus can be considered a bit anal dont you think ??
Edited by new_n_lost on 12/30/07 - 07:44 PM
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Well, what happens if you use MD next to you name and you "didn't" earn that title? Is it illegal? Will one face charges in the US? Why do some hospitals add MD to IMG residents? I know some collegues, who graduated with me and have the same medical title, who are now residents in the US with MD next to their names. It's confusing, isn't it?
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keller wrote:Well, what happens if you use MD next to you name and you "didn't" earn that title? Is it illegal? Will one face charges in the US? Why do some hospitals add MD to IMG residents? I know some collegues, who graduated with me and have the same medical title, who are now residents in the US with MD next to their names. It's confusing, isn't it?
Well if you are going by the argument that everyone does it so therefore it has be legal. Almost everyone in US and prehaps the World downloads movies from the net and watches it instead of buying or renting the Dvds. So does it make it legal to do so. Almost 3/4 of the IMGs use pirated books of Kaplan which such audacity that its seemingly legal but does it make it legal or gives others permission to do so.
In the eyes of the law it does not hold a valid argument that " Well everyone was looting so i joined in and therefore by virtue of this reason i should not be held accountable for the theft committed."
Just cos everyone is doing it doesnt make the person right or wrong in his actions. Yes it can be argued that since the titles have the same bearing of meaning and are interchangebale therefore can be substituted by still it would be considered falsifying records. Because you are claiming to be someone when you arent.
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And yes someone can also get sued over it as it might not have been permitted by the AMA or AAMC
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issue is - if you are MD and don't have licence in this country - you are still MD
If you are MD and have licence in Tx and not California you are still MD in Ca.
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