cuadrado_g
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Hi friends
This is maybe an awkward question, but I am curious: anyone didn't get IV there? I am asking because I was there and saw more applycants during interview than in any other program that I had been before. And reading posts I see that most of us were invited there.
The people was nice and the program is fine (you can read what people say about it in previous posts)...but I am wondering if their strategy is to invite and interview as many applycants as possible?
thank you for your responses. GL in your interviews!
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| cuadrado_g
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dont worry
its listed in freida page how many IVs they did last year for their positions!
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| newyg
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Freida page can be a lie, it is just an essay filled by the program directors... you never know the actual number of interviews!
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| nadiabarati
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hey newyg. I don't know why you don't have "private message" option! So I can not send any private message to you. Have you gotta interview from metropolitan in NY? Do you mind if you share your credentials?
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| newyg
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Nadia, I dont know how but somehow my options cancelled PM ... but I reactivate PM now so you can send PM. But I was rejected from Metropolitan so I have no idea about the program regarding the interviews. Good Luck!
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| cuadrado_g
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Hey nadiabarati and newyg...dont change the subject  ...I asked about Westchester and you talk about Metropolitan!!
anyways, it seems that nobody is going to reply my question; so lets chat about other hotter topics!
bye and GL
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| nadiabarati
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but cuadrado_g, your question was answered, wasn't it?
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| cuadrado_g
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nadia
according to newyg it was not because u may not trust in freida information. But if we consider silence as an answer, I think it was; because that means everybody in the forum who applied there got IV.
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| nadiabarati
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cuadrado_g, we are only a bunch of people who are visiting this forum regualrly. We are not representative of all people who applied to psychiatry. We all are about 20 people most in this forum and most of us are having good credentials and that's why you see most got IV from wetchester, except for me who didn't apply to there.
So again the number of interviewees doesn't prove anything at all. You can not conclude that program is not good because they interview a lot. Some programs are wise enough not to put filter for graduation year or nationality or score and they try to pay attention to individuality more than only solid data on paper...
For example when you are mature enough you date more girls to discover a nice personality and a nice personality can be found among different nationalities, religions, ages, colors,...but less maturity more restrictions and limitations regarding dating.
when you say I just date 20 years old girls who are white, rich, ..It seems to me you are narrow minded and that's why ready to classify people in big groups and label them... So it's true about programs. When some programs say only fresh graduates, Americans, USCE with a famous American doctor...They ignore and lose many better applicants because of this strict rules that all come from their preconceptions...So the thing that seem negative to you, is a positive point for me.
So why not meeting more people? maybe someone who is not as good as you on paper, actually is a better person in reality and more pleasant to work with...
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| newyg
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Cuadrado... you are asking if Westchester program has a strategy to invite and interview as many applicants as possible... How could we know that? Only the Director of Westchester would answer that. You can ask him/her when you meet but I would advise you not to.
Regarding the Freida survey; programs can only minimize the IVs they run annually on that survey. So the number of IVs sent by programs can be much more than they declare on Freida. Thats my point.
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| cuadrado_g
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thanks nadia and newyg
As u said just they can tell. 
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| puchpal
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hey nadia, as far as dating is concerned, well
a good comparison, you'll make a good shrink
and dear square( cuardado) , i believe they
are a nice program,
they do invite more people for interview, thats right
they are conducting nearly 140 interviews this year
dont ask me how did I know,
ok even let me not sound like an fbi agent
i asked to a person who is a friend in another prog, and got the info somehow
for the 7 or so positions, that makes it 20:1 ratio
and also this is one of the few programs , that has a morning and evening session on the same day, and interview 10 people 5 & 5
still it remains a good program , and an unexplained , and an overwhelming
excess of females,
I am curious ,what exactly you wanted to know.
I tried to ansswer it as much as i could.
and man that khalil gibran was a good read, im truly impressed
by the man, and have been struck on the site since afternoon
gl to all
best
"P"
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| gunnerggg
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"... So it's true about programs. When some programs say only fresh graduates, Americans, USCE with a famous American doctor...They ignore and lose many better applicants because of this strict rules that all come from their preconceptions..."
In response, to the post and question...I am a carribean grad. from my experience and from knowing friends that matched in very good psychiatry programs:
1)we all have USCE and USLOR...therefore programs rank us highly b/c we know the american system and we don't need visas. we have worked with american doctors side by side for years, our english is better and programs trust that we will stay and practise in the US and not go back to our home country. therefore we are ranked higher...they are not losing better applicants!
I am sorry to say that there are many disgruntled foreigers on this forum that believe that it is their right to get residency...remember you are competing against the whole world for a spot. Just because you have "99" on your step exams, remember you will get the lowest residency spot where an american or a carribean will not go. You fill the left over spaces in bad programs.
To prove my point, please anyone reply if they have interviewed at a program that has had at least 50% americans as residents? Most likely not, most places that many of you have gone have around 80% or more FMGs.
Many of you that want "good" programs or university programs will likely not get it. University programs like westchester are given to the best candidates. Cudardo_g, if you have no USCE or USLOR, you will likely not match at westchestr or the better psychiatry programs compared to other foreigners that have USCE and MOST IMPORTANTLY PREVIOUS PSYCHIATRY EXPERIENCE! Programs are not looking for a body to fill their spots, good programs look for applicants that have worked with US psychiatrist and have gotten LOR from them and/or have been psychiatrist in their home countries or have family in psychiatry.
Anyone with "99" can apply for psychiatry and say they like it but if they don't have "proof" programs will rank you lower than other applicants that can truly demonstrate in interest in psychiatry.
Edited by gunnerggg on 12/30/07 - 11:06 PM
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| mrbean
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WOW gunnerggg! That came out of left field. I missed the conversation where the caliber of caribbean grads was being discussed or questioned. BTW I have many IMG friends that have matched @ very high end programs.
Edited by mrbean on 12/30/07 - 11:16 PM
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| cuadrado_g
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hi everybody
puchpal:I am glad u liked Gibran, and thank you for the information. That’s the only data I wanted to know and being sure: the ratio of interviews per position. 20:1 is pretty high and as u said it not makes them less desirable.
to gunnerggg: I have the luck of having IMG friends from the Caribbean so I understand your position. It’s not the purpose of the forum to question Caribbean grads. And your question of programs we were invited, you can see it in the topic “Interviews”.
So Westchester is consider generally speaking a good program? Good to know. I saw a mixture of AMGs from the Westchester NYMC and IMGs there interviewing and the same mixture is seen in residents, most of them females as puchpal said. I wonder how they manage to be so precise in the matching mixture if they have a 20:1 ratio? Any ideas??
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| puchpal
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Dear gunnerggg,
Please don't feel offended, but are you sexually deprived off late , i.e demise of
boy/girl friend? or some psychological stress?
I ask this because I think no where ever in this forum , has anybody questioned
the carribean grads being the most desired medical grads, be it the soundness in the intellectual, emotional, psychological, politicals, or astronomical( if?) facet of a personality.toward becoming a stupendous MD.
And I am unable to understand the cause of your anger.
We all foriegn medical grads, feel apologetic, if we have knowingly or unknowingly hurt the carribean emotions.
Please do try and leave some left over peices of unwanted residency slots for us IMG's.
We look forward to attend your Grand rounds soon, at the ACNP,or some even bigger platform.if third world citizens like us manage to get an admission to such highly reputed places and confrences.
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| puchpal
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And as a reply to people getting calls at "AMG" places
I'd request you to (f)kindly go through the posts.
"Girl 82" , and "Neuro to Psych" are the two examples,
feel free to email ( private message them) and ask,
To whatever meager knowledge I have , Columbia and Yale.?
I think these are the places where the AMG's also strive to go.
Though carribeans don't have to take an interview for these places probably
they are requested , by the pd's every year,by "Please join us" calls, which carribean grads usually decline over the phone itself.
Sorry for sounding slightly on the higher tone , but to my knowledge, I have have never heard my AMG friends referring to themselves and Carribean Grads as "ONE AND THE SAME". thats why i (f)thought I should clarify.
I look forward to your reply.
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| girl82
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Gunnerggg, MD
No matter what speciality you are applying to, this high handedness will never fetch you anything. At the end of the day, it is the teamwork and cordial relations with your colleagues which is important.
If you are applying to psychiatry( or any other branch), this is even more important as you have to be culturally sensitive and tolerant.
We "IMGS " wish you luck in your in your pursuit of a successful career in medicine the beginning of which itself is so damn biased and prejudiced.
Let us see who has the last laugh.
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| newyg
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Gunnerggg has good points actually. He is generalizing the IMG population in the forum and accusing of being so into their achievements mainly on USMLE exams.. which is TRUE! We all have good usmle exam scores and not too much besides that.. and if we do extra achievements then we get much better program IVs. The facts that Gunnerggg points out are all very important: USLOR, USCE, spoken english level, future in the psych program... These, I also believe, are much important aspects of a candidate application rather than USMLE Scores.
So, gunnerggg generalizes the IMG population but not specifies any forum member so you shouldnt feel insulted individually.. and he has good aspects... So maybe you guys are too harshly bashing his thoughts.
Edited by newyg on 01/01/08 - 05:12 PM
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| cuadrado_g
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Again agree with newyg, its necessary for us to have feedback from people with different reality. It would be great to have more Caribbean grads, AMGs (MDs and DOs) writing here.
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| gunnerggg
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Thanks for the comments. In my experience, IMGs take years to study for step exams to get their "99s". whereas AMGs and carribeans study for maybe 4 weeks and do very well. YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN TO MEDICAL SCHOOL, SO WHY THE HELL DO YOU STUDY FOR THESE DAMN EXAMS FOR MONTHS AND YEARS INSTEAD OF WEEKS? Believe me, program directors know this. Many of you have graduated years ago and programs want fresh graduates!! So someone tell me if you IMGS are so great then why are top programs in the country not plagued by foreign residents but by americans instead? In fact many are afraid of not matching that they take pre-matches at shitty programs instead.
Please prove your point, when on match day, all IMGs (including those who failed, and are still on this forum still bragging about interviewing at Penn) match at great programs like Harvard, Cornell, Columbia, Penn, Hopkins... instead of the mediocore programs that you are fighting over like Westchester. I mean, if all of you rank Westchester, only 1-2 will go there b/c more AMGs will take the spot. very good programs will not fill all of their spots with foreigners because it will cost them too much.
Good luck to you on match day...my work is done here.
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| meusmle
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Hi Gunnerggg,
I might have some answers to your questions..why isn't the country plagued with foreign residents?Because if top programs in the U.S took several FMGS everyone would think,why do we need to go to med school here(4 yrs undergrad,4 yrs med school,3 times the cost)they would all go to some country like India/Central Europe and finish medical school,come back and be sure of getting into a top program.A lot of Amg friendly programs I know have taken 1 or 2 fmgs rarely due to research work there,and in the end they cannot stop talking about or praising that one single FMG!So I'm sure programs know that Fmgs are good,its just that they don't want to scare people off American med schools!
Why do Fmgs study for months for these exams?For real,Amgs take 2 years for each exam since they study for it from day one of med school,the same pattern,take similar standardized exams etc.Whereas Fmgs don't decide to come here from day one of med school plus our patterns are more like essay/short note and totally different,so getting used to the standardized exams here take some time!
And you cannot tell us that your English is better..there are probably people from some countries who do not study English-but what about people from England and so on..In India,people go to British schools and learn the real English not American slang and we are repeatedly told by people here how simply amazing our English is.
Well,I hope this answered some of your questions..if someone criticized Caribbean school grads I can understand your anger and pessimism against the rest of the Fmgs,but nothing like that happened here..a penny for your thoughts?!
Maybe you should actually just keep your grandiosity to yourself and leave this forum to exist in peace,to serve as a source of encouragement and support during these hard times of interviewing and waiting.
Oh and by the way,good luck to you too!!
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| nadiabarati
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Dear meusmle, well-done! I couldn't agree more. Thanks for the great reply.
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| girl82
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1) This thread never started in the first place to talk about Carribean med grads. I really do not know why our gunnerggg decided to take offence.
2) Carribean med grads are still technically IMGs.
3) Most big programs have a IMG. Most PDs view them as an asset to their program and think of them as being the "best brains" of their respective country.
4) I'm sure that when gunnerggg is not writing about superiority of his breed on varoius forums, he is reading what is happening around him. When the discover of structure of DNA Dr Watson cannot get away with his
comments , I'm sure you want to be politically right. We really cannot change a pot load of shitty prejudices you walk around with.
Pls check this out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7052416...
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| PIAGET
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I could elicit lot of good psychpatholgy in this thread, its actually a good thought sample .....some grandiose ideations , persecutory ideas and blah blah....why are u guys arguing with our boss gunnerggg , when his name suggest that he has a gun ....i am scared dr.GUN ......CRAP
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