DrVirgo
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This is a hypothetical question... Lets say you didn't match, and there is a spot open which you already interviewed for, ranked, but obviously didn't get.....
Correct me if i'm wrong but in this type of situation it means either party (applicant or program) didn't rank the other high enough...
So my question(s): in this case should you still apply to the same position? Is it worth it? OR has the program made it clear that they don't want you and it would be a waste of time and effort applying to them? Or could it be that the program did rank you highly, but for some reason, you just didn't happen to match with them???
Any input would be greatly appreciated... Just trying to figure out how this whole process works and think about all possible scenarios which could play out...
Thanks everyone. 
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| moe214
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the question is does the program rank all the applicants that they interview???...(this i realy like to know) ..if the answer is yes then you should be in. there shouldnt be any unmatched spot open if u did rank'm ..unless u didnt...on the other hand if they rank only a hand full and u didnt match and there is spot(s) open..why not; i would definatly by any means will let'm know that you'r still avlbl...remember; unless they realy saw something that it turned'm off..they did call you for an interview..that it self means alot...didnt pull your name out of a hat!.. i think this is the way it should work..but again; what the hell do i know??
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| wally
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if u and a program had both ranked each other , then its not possible by the MATCH that u dont get matched and the program has unifilled postion, unless the program didnt rank u !
anyhow , if u trying to scramle to a place u had IV before , then i guess u have an advantage over ppl who never IV there
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| DrVirgo
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moe214 wrote:
the question is does the program rank all the applicants that they interview???...(this i realy like to know) ..if the answer is yes then you should be in. there shouldnt be any unmatched spot open if u did rank'm ..unless u didnt...on the other hand if they rank only a hand full and u didnt match and there is spot(s) open..why not; i would definatly by any means will let'm know that you'r still avlbl...remember; unless they realy saw something that it turned'm off..they did call you for an interview..that it self means alot...didnt pull your name out of a hat!.. i think this is the way it should work..but again; what the hell do i know??
I believe the program is not obligated to rank all candidates they interview.... However I do know that even after a program ranks all candidates they interviewed, and an applicant ranks all programs there ARE still unmatched spots open!!! Ranking all programs you interviewed is NOT a guarantee to match, as I know there are often people who have to scramble for spots because they didn't match to a program and the program has open spots because they didn't fill for some reason...
So the question is still: Should I scramble for a spot i interviewed for, ranked, and didn't match to which is unfiled during scramble time???
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| DrVirgo
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wally wrote:
if u and a program had both ranked each other , then its not possible by the MATCH that u dont get matched and the program has unifilled postion, unless the program didnt rank u !
Are you SURE about this???
Are you saying that it is guaranteed for a program to fill all their spots if they rank ALL candidates who interviewed? And I'm guaranteed to Match if I rank all programs I interviewed with??? Then how are there so many unmatched candidates and unfilled spots left after Match every year leading to the scramble???
Sorry to question you, but maybe I'm not understanding correctly...
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DrVirgo wrote:
I believe the program is not obligated to rank all candidates they interview.... However I do know that even after a program ranks all candidates they interviewed, and an applicant ranks all programs there ARE still unmatched spots open!!! Ranking all programs you interviewed is NOT a guarantee to match, as I know there are often people who have to scramble for spots because they didn't match to a program and the program has open spots because they didn't fill for some reason...
Correct, a program does not have to rank all interviewed candidates. But if you (a generic "you") are on my rank list, and I rank you; then my program has an opening, then that means that you didn't rank me......Be careful.
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| DrVirgo
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bbb wrote:
... Correct, a program does not have to rank all interviewed candidates. But if you (a generic "you") are on my rank list, and I rank you; then my program has an opening, then that means that you didn't rank me......Be careful.
Thanks bbb.
So as long as a program ranks all its candidates who they interviewed and all their candidates rank them, then it's certain there will be NO unfilled spots after match? But if ONE candidate doesn't rank the program, and the program has ranked ALL candidates, then there is a possibility of an unmatched position? And what is that chance?
Thanks again for your input! 
Edited by bbb on 12/11/07 - 10:44 AM
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DrVirgo wrote:
So as long as a program ranks all its candidates who they interviewed and all their candidates rank them, then it's certain there will be NO unfilled spots after match? Correct, if I rank all my candidates and they all rank me (providing that the number interviewed is higher than the number of spots that I have), then I will fill all my spots.
But if ONE candidate doesn't rank the program, and the program has ranked ALL candidates, then there is a possibility of an unmatched position? And what is that chance? Correct - I can't tell you the chance, though - it's impossible to guess this stuff.
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Thats great news for a program...
However if I rank all the places I interview, and even if they rank me highly, it's still not gauranteed that I will match, correct?
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DrVirgo wrote:
However if I rank all the places I interview, and even if they rank me highly, it's still not gauranteed that I will match, correct?
That's the nature of the beast. Although even if we rank everyone that we interview and our program sucks beyond belief, then my program still could not fill, nicht wahr?
Edited by bbb on 12/11/07 - 12:12 PM
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| wally
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thanks bbb !
i guess no need to explian any further
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| moe214
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q#1: if a program has 10 positions and intvus 300 applicants..what is the avg they rank?
q#2: let say a program has 10 spots and intvus 300 and ranks 50 and 45 get matched some where else. now, do they HAVE to participate in scramble or they can just opt-out and let the 5 spots stay unfilled till nxt yr. thank you
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DrVirgo wrote:
Thats great news for a program...
However if I rank all the places I interview, and even if they rank me highly, it's still not gauranteed that I will match, correct?
Only if 2 things happen:
1) you get matched in a program you ranked HIGHER.
2) the program got a candidate that they deemed BETTER than you.
However, it is impossible for both you and the program to rank each other......and you go unmatched and the program still has an opening left. One of you has to "drop out" essentially for that to happen.
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| DrVirgo
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Thanks everyone... This is somewhat confusing, but its so much more clear now.
So I guess there is NO opportunity to Scramble for an unfilled spot which you ranked, because the Match won't let that happen... They will just go down the program's list till they find someone.
Does anyone know the satistics on how programs fill their spots... For example do they usually get within the TOP 10% or TOP 25% of the candidates on their rank order list? Or does it vary vastly from program to program? For example if they have 5 spots and they ranked 100 applicants who they interviewed, which applicants are they most likely to get (1-10 or anywhere from 1-30? or something else???? I know this is hard to predict but if anyone knows from past programs experience, please post.
Thanks again bbb and everyone!
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moe214 wrote:
q#1: if a program has 10 positions and intvus 300 applicants..what is the avg they rank?
q#2: let say a program has 10 spots and intvus 300 and ranks 50 and 45 get matched some where else. now, do they HAVE to participate in scramble or they can just opt-out and let the 5 spots stay unfilled till nxt yr. thank you
1. Who knows? Probably most of their interviews.
2. They wouldn't let the spots go unfilled, but they may fill through scramble or other options.
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DrVirgo wrote:
Does anyone know the satistics on how programs fill their spots... For example do they usually get within the TOP 10% or TOP 25% of the candidates on their rank order list? Or does it vary vastly from program to program? For example if they have 5 spots and they ranked 100 applicants who they interviewed, which applicants are they most likely to get (1-10 or anywhere from 1-30? or something else???? I know this is hard to predict but if anyone knows from past programs experience, please post.
Thanks again bbb and everyone!
Only somebody working in the program, like bbb, would be able to tell that. But I guess most programs fill quite high in their list.
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| DrVirgo
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Yes, I would really like to know that from bbb.
And also wondering on the flip side -Lets say a person ranks 10 programs... Which spot is he MOST LIKELY to get??? Or at least give me a ball park, like mostly from 1-3 or 4-6 or 8-10... in general...from what you know of pervious applicants.
Thanks.
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Sorry, but I have never asked my residents where they ranked me. It's actually none of my business.
But if my program filled in the top 25%, I would be dancing in the streets. I will say that it varies from year to year, and varies widely from year to year.
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