criticaldoc
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i had had just gone through one of the post in other forum. In that forum one of program director is him self answering all the questions. I dont know if i am able to quote that post in our discussion. (will have to ask administrator of both forum)
But it said they sort out all the candidate in three category upper 1/3, middle 1/3 and lower 1/3 on basis of the credentials and recommendations each applicant is having and he said interview wont play any role to aid in this classification, but it only help to rank the candidates in a particular group. So in last he meant that meeting in person during an iv wont play that major role in their program
I know that all program are having their own way of dealing with this rank order system but i had in mind that they will have more emphasis on the interview that we give. I want to ask a simple question on this and it is how major role does our interview play ? or it is our credential that do the most ?
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| zrf80
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Credentials get you interview.
Interview gets you JOB.
Basically, if you got 90s on all your steps, and another applicant got 80s.........and you give a bad IV, you will NOT be chosen over that "lower" candidate. Good programs hire you based on those criteria. Due NOTE: there are programs out there that will only hire you based on grades, regardless of IV. Those are the programs you want to shy away from, cause they lack respect/comraderie with each other.
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| criticaldoc
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okay, so u say interview do matter a LOT , i agree with that
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| criticaldoc
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please i wud appreciate a comment from experts.
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| arlete
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I am not an expert. But big companies call people for ivs based on what they read, and choose employees based on the interaction during the iv and its results. I can't think of any reason why it would be different in the healthcare business.
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| bbb
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zrf80 wrote:
Credentials get you interview.
Interview gets you JOB.
I couldn't have said this better myself!
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bbb - trying to combine common sense and humour into realistic answers, but not going to guess on anyone's chances of getting into a position....
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| prueba
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I heard the same from a PD at an interview .... about the three categories: upper 1/3, middle 1/3 and lower 1/3...
I guess the most important thing is not to do anything wrong during the interview...
A PD told me that they did not rank (not even on the list) an applicant with 99/99, because she/he did not have insight about professionalism...so of course you can be deleted from the list ...
I've seen also some grading systems/ or comments written during the interview on my file...
some don't read your application before the IV to just meet you as a person, like GLO said...
some interviewers read you application while interviewing you... how much do they care? ....
Again guessing:
So how important is it? if you are a clone of "normal" applicants.... probably 20%?
If you have a bad interview? probably 80-100%?
So, in preparation I believe the safest bet is to be yourself, smile, have some questions (you will be always asked "Do you have any questions?")....etc...as every other applicant...
so coming back tou your main question: I believe your application does the most if you are a "normal" or typical applicant... and it goes against you if you do something awkward.. and, finally, if you check match outcomes...you'll see that people with better credentials have more chances of a succesful match...
the most experienced persons here are of course bbb and Dr. Fisher
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| prueba
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An important question would also be: how many IMGs match at their first choice... which could somewhat relate to interview performance (?) .... for example if you rank 50 programs and you match at your 49th choice...probably interviews did not go very well...
and of course people familiar with statistics know that when there are so many variables it's difficult to interpret one as a predictor ..in this case interview performance.... (maye the most subjective of all)
you can also go again to the classic statement: different programs / diff. criteria...
Edited by prueba on 11/26/07 - 01:25 PM
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| criticaldoc
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ya there is no single predictor::
but i know some of my friends who have matched to good place , one of my friend matched at a good place in anaesthesia, he was IMG. They really appreciate if u have something common to have a conversation on, like say a research or anything else. That is where we call the US clinical experience come in to play.
I lack that USCE, the experience in field of medicine really needs a conversation medium through which u can translate ur exp into one called USCE.
but bottom line of all conversation is there is no single predictor , as prueba said, that u can rely on. But u got to have some thing in urself that sud convince them.
U wont believe this, but one of my attending in my home country did his residency in the dream place called JH Bayview and it was before 6 yrs and the criteria that laid down to his selection was that he was a national level swinging champion. That person was really a champ of his field, he was intensivist, he use to smell the patients of their pathology and patient were like had to go in the same direction to prove attending's diagnosis. Though if u see he was not so strong on a paper application, but he was strong as a person. He was mentor to me. And he was one who inspired me to have a carrier in this country. But just before coming here i heard he had seizure and was diagnosed of diss. renal carcinoma.
This sounds like off track, but hats off to him.
But I believe that if u have it, u will do it.
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