gericom1
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Guys,
Did any one receive a contract offer from UPMC-ISP program?
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Although they told me that they will start sending contracts offers on December, in their internet site they say “ Contracts will be offered on November and December”
And something else: Did they respond to your thank you letter?
To me there was no response…..
King regards
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| medstar
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Have you done your IV for ISP at UPMC gericom1? I think they are still doing IVs not? When did you have it?
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| gericom1
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Medstar,
Yes I have done with my IV. They are still interviewing (till 11/27 if I am right)
I had it a couple of weeks before.
Did they respond to your thank you letter?
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| medstar
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I have my IV at the last day. I like their web site and their structure, Is it like what it seems. How was your impression?
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| gericom1
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It is a very nice hospital. Compared with many university hospitals it is one of the best. You will be for sure impressed.
However some drawbacks:
1) Mainly geriatric population
2) The city is declining . It used to be a rich city but due to the loss of industry it is becoming poorer.
3) It is not a major league University. It used to be but it is not now. They say that it is an " Elite" university but now it is not (compared to Mayo, John Hopkins, Yale, BU, Baylor etc) And this can be seen in the fellowships. For example one of the residents who did the tour told us that noone from ISP had got a cardiology fellowship in UPMC or higher. They prefer people from the categorical program. Overall the fellowships are to UPMC or lower (Medical college of Georgia, Penn state etc)
Regards and good luck, buy the way where are you from? I am from Pakistan
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| medstar
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Thank you very mcuh indeed for your info, I am from Iran. I have seen a good number of people from pakistan there. I have done researches and got PhD in EU and I applied this year to US residency. I think for IMGs is not easy to get to good places without US LORs, what do you think?
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| gericom1
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Medstar,
In general it all depends from the interviews that you have. I am quite disappointed from the no reply to my thank you letter from them.
I live in US the last couple of years. I have USLORs (research and clinical)
I have some IVs from some first league places.
Regards
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| medstar
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I think I would not risk and stay a year in US to get into first league for next year, so if form this program one can go to the good fellowship somewhere else also would be nice. I have not seen vacation for ISPs?
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| mph
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gericom1 wrote:
However some drawbacks:
1) Mainly geriatric population
2) The city is declining . It used to be a rich city but due to the loss of industry it is becoming poorer.
3) It is not a major league University. It used to be but it is not now. They say that it is an " Elite" university but now it is not (compared to Mayo, John Hopkins, Yale, BU, Baylor etc) And this can be seen in the fellowships. For example one of the residents who did the tour told us that noone from ISP had got a cardiology fellowship in UPMC or higher. They prefer people from the categorical program. Overall the fellowships are to UPMC or lower (Medical college of Georgia, Penn state etc)
Hi, gericom
I think u and I may go to different UPMC?
I would like to clarify some points u mentioned:
1. If u r talking about UPMC, as I can tell u, Pittsburgh is one of the youngest city in East Coast, as it has one of the biggest ratio of college students in town, next to Boston only. There's NO WAY UPMC treats mainly geriatric population. The main geriatric population of UPMC are located in Mckeesport and St.Margarat. Main Campus and Shadyside are different.
2. Again, check the real estate price of Pittsburgh in the past decade. Just like Bridgeport, it has one of the highest surge. It's not the bleak steel city anymore. The current mayor started a huge renovation program since years ago. The loss of industry and declining happened in 70s and 80s. Now Pittsburgh is transforming into a financial metropolitan.
3. UPMC makes to honor roll of 15 best hospitals in US every yr since the ranking was invented. If u can't make it, it's bcz u r in ISP, not bcz the hospital is mediocre. Also, what u think about "major league" may be different from my major league. We shud avoid using these subjective terms on the forum and try objective ones like Ivy league instead. For example, I am an Ivy league graduate. As this yr tops competitiveness, people get scared more. Some subjective terms would arouse panic at times.
GL.
Edited by mph on 11/23/07 - 02:47 PM
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| hypomanic
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I interviewed there too a few weeks ago- Didnt receive any response to thank you mail too
My situation is similar to Medstar-and I agree that No USCE/USLoR makes it tough to get into very good places- even getting interview calls has been tough- so far had only 2 and 25+ rejections despite PhD & good scores (99/99)
My overall impression at UPMC also was not outstanding BUT..UPMC might be as good as it gets for someone like me but still hoping that it isnt all over yet 
Gericom1, you are much better placed and for you there might be a lot more options- what might be bad for you is that they say (at least on the website) that you will have to decide before Jan- and if you have better Interviews at higher ranked places might be tough to decide whether to take UPMC or take the risk of going to the Match
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| medstar
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I like mph approach, he is very positive about UPMC and that might make me like his way. However I think that if a place welcome you that is the good choice for you. I have had the situation like hypomanic (though not both scores 99) which was far from my expectations.
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| medstar
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What is the best way of getting info about program, ambient and the hospital, I am arriving there a day before IV, so do you suggest me to contact some residents by sending email or just going into the hospital directly or NONE?
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| mph
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medstar wrote:
I like mph approach, he is very positive about UPMC and that might make me like his way.
I would put UPMC maybe at 10th on list, as u probably know I love other places more(even Hawaii). However, the reason I dont rank there high is not bcz it's bad. I just dont feel kinda "clicked-in." It's a decent program, otherwise AMG wouldn't flood in.
I do agree if the program welcomes u, it ll become a better program for u. Also, dont put too much emphasis on fame. Know what u want. Every one has his/her own preference. If u force me to pick a community hospital for training, the one comes up as my first choice would sound stink to most here.
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| gericom1
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First of all some clarifications:
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1) About the geriatric population. This is my personal opinion. I stayed there for 3 days. I have some friends there also that told me that Pittsburgh it is not the same city as before.
2) About the growing city. You can get a 4 bedroom house in decent area with 300000 $. If you try to buy it in Boston or NY you need some millions.
3) About the potential of the program. Check their fellowships in their site: There are very few exceptions that people found a fellowship higher than UPMC (both categorical and ISP). Check also the comments at scuttwork. Some people share the same thoughts about the city, program etc.
4) About the hospital. Definitely is one of the highest ranked hospitals. But although some departments are pretty good the IM department is not that good. Maybe because the PDs and the Chairman are young and not so well known. This may explain the fellowships. If you get LORs from well known people you will get better IVs. And in fellowship application you need LOR from PD and Chairman. (If I am correct)
Finally this is my opinion. You can accept it or not. And as I said it all depends from the Ivs that you already have. I am thinking of going for the match. MPH you have very good calls. Are you going for the match? And where are you from? I am from Pakistan.
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| medstar
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I wonder if is worthy to pospone 1 year the residency to get into the "first" league program?? Bec this could be done by 1 year of research in high-rank Univ. and then get LOR for residency. But for 3 years of clinical residency? What do u think mph? As I see that UPMS ranks 10th for you not 4 or 5th...
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| mph
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Hi gericom1,
Sure, but for the program itself, the one I m talking about is the categorical program, not ur international scholar program. These 2 r HUGELY different. ISP pars with some community programs, but categorical UPMC is UPMC.
Also, what is "higher" than UPMC? Harvard? Hopkins? U r going into the fame maze again. It's also possible that most categorical residents wanna stay in UPMC for fellowship as they love the place so much.
I m from East Asia. If I cant successfully negotiate with Bayview for my visa, I ll pick a decent H1 program and sign with them, as fellowship is not a problem for me.
I hope u excel in match.
Edited by mph on 11/23/07 - 04:07 PM
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| gericom1
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Gl to you MPH. Take care.
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| mph
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medstar wrote:
I wonder if is worthy to pospone 1 year the residency to get into the "first" league program?? Bec this could be done by 1 year of research in high-rank Univ. and then get LOR for residency. But for 3 years of clinical residency? What do u think mph? As I see that UPMS ranks 10th for you not 4 or 5th...
U may find this helpful:
http://www.im.org/AAIM/Pubs/Insight/Volume5Issue1...
You ll find that research isn't the most important thing(having the interest is important though). LOR from known specialists is even more vital. Try to do well when u r doing electives and try to do electives in famous hospitals and get letters from them. No need to spend one more yr simply bcz u wanna fellowship. U can get it from decent community programs as well.
As I ve said long before, I ve already pretty much sealed the fellowship position in top 5 programs in my specialty (except Yale), I can calm down and select what is best for me, not restrained by fellowship placement.
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| medstar
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Thank you mph for your response and advice, do you have any idea about long island Jewish Hos. affiliated to Einstein? They seem interested in my research, are they doing research there?
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| mph
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medstar wrote:
Thank you mph for your response and advice, do you have any idea about long island Jewish Hos. affiliated to Einstein? They seem interested in my research, are they doing research there?
They do, but dont expect to have much time doing research there, as all NY hospitals are soooooooooooooo busy. (U ll know it when u come) And the affiliation is not as strong as Montefiere and Jacobi. But, it's a very good program and if u r good enuf, u probably can grab fellowship inside.
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| dr_me_myself
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please dont mind ; i have a silly question....what does ISP stand for? I m concerned cos i have an interview at UPMC shadyside...
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| medstar
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ISP: international scholars program, especial track in UPMC for IMGs
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