koz2008
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Let's post all we know about hospital salaries.
Many hospitals have that information on their web sites !!!
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| koz2008
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JAMAICA, BROOKDALE AND FLUSHING HOSPITALS
COMMITTEE OF INTERNS AND RESIDENTS
NEW REVISED SCALES
3% INCREASE EACH YEAR FOR THE FOLLOWING YEARS JOB TITLE 4/16/2006 1/7/2007 1/6/2008 PGY I $48,677.85 $50,138.19 $51,642.33 PGY II $52,856.83 $54,442.53 $56,075.81 PGY III $58,076.64 $59,818.94 $61,613.51 PGY IV $59,952.14 $61,750.70 $63,603.22 PGY V $61,928.47 $63,786.32 $65,699.91 PGY VI $63,272.91 $65,171.10 $67,126.23 PLUS the MEAL ALLOWANCE OF $1,025.00 PER YEAR
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| Miradautas Vras
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Thats GOOD to breadline salary relative to where are you located. I mean this amount [ i am talking about an avg amount for 1st 3-5 years] can be quite cool for someone in Arkansas but someone in say Boston or NYC would not be that happy! Don't they adjust for local costs of living?
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| Doc750
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90 h/week x 48 weeks/yr = 4320 hours/yr (I took out 4 weeks, for vacation/sick leave)
$48677 X .30 (for income tax) = $14603 in just income tax. This doesn't include sales, tax, property tax, etc etc.
So your left with $34074
$34074/4320 h = $7.88/hour
Now go find a place to live in NY on $7.88 an hour
Edited by Doc750 on 11/02/07 - 09:18 AM
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| GOGETA
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chicago PGY1 39,000
minesota pgy1 44,000
ohio 45,000
I depends were you are.
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| arizona_wave
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Doc750 sorry but your calculations seems to wrong for the hours.
It should be 90 hrs * 48 wks = 4320 hr / yr
34074 / 4320 = 7.88 $ / hr you take home.
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| Doc750
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your absolutely right. My fault. 
so yeah, $7.88/hr sounds alot better. 
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| C5a
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http://www.bestplaces.net/col/?salary=44500&c...
looks like you'd need to make $75000 in NY to match what you could get in Ohio for $44000
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| babydoc4usmle
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you take a number in hourly rate, but for some reason you take number of hours out of equasion
with $7.88/hour and 40 hours a week you will have a miserable survival in ny, but with 90 hoursweek you are left with nice $2800/month in your pocket, which sounds not bad at all
especially when you have no time to spend it
Edited by babydoc4usmle on 11/02/07 - 05:40 PM
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| babydoc4usmle
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not as good as in OH or MO though, that part is true
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| P4a99
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babydoc4usmle wrote: especially when you have no time to spend it
Yeah, stress on that part!
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| deja_vu
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Are you sure its damn 90!!!!Hrs a week???? [13hrs a day for all 7 days????]
Save me lord.
Someone please verify it before i change my decision and start a laborer's job which pay atleast 10$/hr.
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| koz2008
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ACGME regulations- I believe (NOT SURE) no more 10 hours / day and 2 days off / week
night float shifts and 24 hours calls, and Q4 during ICU rotations I am not sure how those acccumulate
I know that residents in NY work like dogs
Edited by koz2008 on 11/03/07 - 09:22 PM
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| babydoc4usmle
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people, if you want highly paid jobs for the next 3-5 years (deending on what is your program length) - go elsewhere, residency is not where you make money, but where you get experience at pretty much any expense (including loooooooooooooooooong hours)
so....if you mention on your interview that it is "against the law (or any regulation of that matter)" to work those loooooooong hours, i don't think you will return to that program
there is no "easy" residency, we just have to suck it up and make the best out of it
good luck to US
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| Doc750
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babydoc4usmle wrote:people, if you want highly paid jobs for the next 3-5 years (deending on what is your program length) - go elsewhere, residency is not where you make money, but where you get experience at pretty much any expense (including loooooooooooooooooong hours) so....if you mention on your interview that it is "against the law (or any regulation of that matter)" to work those loooooooong hours, i don't think you will return to that program there is no "easy" residency, we just have to suck it up and make the best out of it good luck to US
thats exactly the kind of attitude that prevents things from changing. People are willing to whore themselves out, just to get a residency spot. They'll accept any conditions given to them.
If you stop and think for a minute, Suppose you got into a car accident, and were sent to the hospital. Would you want a guy working on you who is sleep deprieved, has been on his feet for 30 hours, and probably hasn't slept properly in weeks making the decisions to save your life?
You pay the guy that parks your car more then you pay the resident who you place in charge of guiding your medical care.
And these residency programs know that if you make a fuss, that they'll just grab the next guy who is willing to be their b--ch instead of dealing with you. So everyone keeps quiet and the cycle perpatuates itself.
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| babydoc4usmle
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not true at all, people do talk about it, and things are being done to improve the situation, and you are absolutely right about residents being exhausted, that is exactly the reason of "80 hour-rule" adoption
but we are not in the position to negotiate and "make a fuss" while in the interview room....but if you think that it is what you have to do, well, go right ahead and good luck
once you are resident you have the right and obligation (at least moral to yourself) to stand up for your wellbeing and wellbeing of your patients, and i am not saying at all that you have to eat s...t with a smile on your face and ask for more
but i do want to stress the fact, that residency is not a place and time to make money, and if someone think otherwise, he or she is going to have a huge dissappointment
p.s. by the way, "whore" is not the word you want to use, "wore" is the one, but the difference between 2 is BIG
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| babydoc4usmle
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the line where i said that we have to suck it up was to underline that it will not be easy, but it is not in any way suggestiong that we have to let others to insult us, humiliate us or anythithing else of that sort.....not that it is not existant, unfortunately
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| koz2008
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of course none of us should discuss it at interview, that's why we have this forum )
It's just for us to know that such regulations exist, and it does not mean that we should make a fuss being PGY-1 or PGY-2 , maybe on a 3rd year of residency we wil speak up 
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| DrVirgo
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I have seen salaries ranging from the high 30K to the low 50K for PGY 1 with a few thousand increase per year.
If you search a program on FREIDA, most programs have listed their salaries. However don't let this be a deciding factor in the program you choose. For example if there is a University program you really like which has the opportuinty for your dream fellowship which is paying 45K versus another Community program which you do not like at all paying 50K, CHOOSE THE ONE YOU LIKE!!! NOT THE ONE PAYING MORE... look at the big picture and what holds a better opportunities for you in the future, because a few thousand here and there will not mean anything when you are making over 100K after residency. Just my thoughts.... Good luck everyone!
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| zrf80
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Comeon people. Considering that you will be on top of the totem pole when it comes to salary..........in a few years time, I dont think you're in any position to complain about the work load or hours you have to go through. And even if you do complain, it should be because you are CONCERNED that sleep deprivation will put your PATIENTS in danger, NOT because you feel that you have the God given right to take a break and party so often.
If you want the respect and reputation of being called a DOCTOR, then go out and earn it. And if that means wroking your butt off for 3-5 years and learning as much as you can...so be it.
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| Doc750
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babydoc4usmle wrote: p.s. by the way, "whore" is not the word you want to use, "wore" is the one, but the difference between 2 is BIG
I have no idea what a wore is. I ever googled it and came up with nothing relevant.
I never suggested to anyone bringing this point up in an interview. I don't think anyone will get very far on a one on one bassis with the program. A better aproach to bring about change, would be to unionize the residents. Then everyone gets an equal say without having to be singled out as a trouble maker in your program.
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zrf80 wrote:
If you want the respect and reputation of being called a DOCTOR, then go out and earn it. And if that means wroking your butt off for 3-5 years and learning as much as you can...so be it.
By the time I'm done I'll have gone through 4 yrs of med school, completed residency, and several national board exams to be qualified as "Doctor". I feel like I have earned it.
Residency is about learning. The salary you get is more of a stipened then a salary really. Which is why they get away with it. So I have no problem with the dollar amount per se. What i do have a problem with is trying to teach me at a rediculous pace. I don't know about you, but for some strange reason I learn and study better after I've gotten some sleep. Weird huh?
The problem can easily be rectified by increasing the amount of residents. So that the residents have a work load that they can easily handle, and at the same time be able to go and read up on their cases and readily understand what they are doing. Instead of just going through the motions and trying to grind out their 3-5 yrs, just to get through it.
And why do you think they won't add the extra residents? Is it b/c the program will suffer if there are more people there to learn? Or b/c it's a lot cheaper to get a small group to work the shifts of two people?
Edited by Doc750 on 11/04/07 - 09:59 AM
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| babydoc4usmle
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Doc750 wrote:
I have no idea what a wore is. I ever googled it and came up with nothing relevant.
well, you said "people whore themselves out", instead of "wore themselves out"
"wore" is a past tens from "wear" (to wear yourself out)
by the way, did you try to google "whore"?
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| babydoc4usmle
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adding more residents mean putting more doctors on the market....
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| DrVirgo
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BIG Miscomunication between you guys! LOL
babydoc4usmle wrote:
well, you said "people whore themselves out", instead of "wore themselves out"
"wore" is a past tens from "wear" (to wear yourself out)
by the way, did you try to google "whore"?
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