crimsonboy
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Hey guys,
How hard is for a FMG with USMLE scores in mid ninties to get genreal or neuro surgrey residency?
I don't have any U.S clinical experience but if i have one or two year clinical experience in the field, will that help?
Can you apply for a neurosurgery residency programe after you are done with a general surgery residency? :  
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| doc_ER
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Crimsonboy,
You can look up some data on that in the aamc 07 performance report.
Keep in mind that you apply to neurosurgery through the SF match.
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| FaddyAcids
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u cannot go into neurosurgery from general surgery they both have different tracks.
neurosurgery is a residency after med school,,,GS is another one of 5 years..after GS residency u can take a fellowship of cardiothoracic surgery or colorectal surgery..etc but both of neurosurgery and plastics are independant programs
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| eldoctorcito
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good luck i know someone who got it. right after med school in latin america.
it depends who you know. 
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| LD
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What kind of grades should I aim for a neurosurgery match? Does it help at all having neurosurgical experience in your country of origin?
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| surgerymaster
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FaddyAcids wrote:
u cannot go into neurosurgery from general surgery they both have different tracks.
neurosurgery is a residency after med school,,,GS is another one of 5 years..after GS residency u can take a fellowship of cardiothoracic surgery or colorectal surgery..etc but both of neurosurgery and plastics are independant programs
Plastics can still be attained after doing 5 yrs of Gen Surg..fellowships are still available..the push is to make them their own integrated program like most are doing, but there are still fellowships out there at the moment..
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| mazinger
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eldoctorcito wrote:good luck i know someone who got it. right after med school in latin america. it depends who you know.
I know her as well...
Its all about contacts and a strong determination my friend...
GL
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| jespocol
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hi im a img i have a problem i like competitive specialties.....opthalmology,neurosurgery,CT and plastic surgery.....and cardiology invasive.
wich of these options is the best:
- get internal medicine residency and pursue opthlamology or cardiology
- get general surgery and pursue CT,neuro or plastics.
- go directly to get opthalmology afetr the intern year
- go directly the get neurosurgery.
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| Argo
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Hi jespocol,From what I know the first option is easier to get than the rest.Do IM in a top university,publish papers,be the smartest IM resident there and apply for Cardiology.I personaly know someone who did IM from one of the top 5 university in US on J visa Where there were only 2 IMGs in his class of 50 Students.He was not the smartest in his class.But he was an average student in his IM program.He didnt get cards.But the other IMG was smarter than even AMGs in his class ,did lot of research in those 3 years and got into cards in a very good program in USA.Bottom line is IF YOU ARE NOT CITIZEN/GREEN CARD Holder its possible to get into competitive speciality but you have to prove that you are better than any other candidate who don't need visa.
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| jespocol
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thanks argo ....well im from costa rica....recently get 90 on step 1......next year im going to do a clinical elective in GWU....at first i wanted to get a surgery elective....they permit three 1 month rotation....i organized like this ....opthalmology,,plastics,and the third one in general trauma surgery ,/////unit of intensive care or neurosurgery.
i thought that the best option was opthlamology,plastics and unit of intensive care becausse right there i probably meet intensivists,surgeons and cardiologists.
But welll maybe i should do my elective in internal medicine....
Between opthalmology,plastics and neurosurgery ....with boards above 90 and a clinical elective.....do i have a chance???
I heard that genral surgery this not impossiible ,in fact 22 percent of the residents are imgs.
Im geting really confused about all this becausse ....my real choice is a surgical specialty......i like cardiolgoy invasie becausse they perfrom procedures but is like a second choice.
Help me
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| Jackofknives
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your step1 score will certainly not pay you dividends in the match for the specialties of your interest, considering the average step1 scores for NS, PRS and Optho was around 235, 250 and 240, respectively. In term of 2 digit scores it’s 98, 99, 98. These specialties are extremely difficult to match especially that you are an img, so unless you have personal connections internally it s going to be an uphill battle.
Imho, your best shot is IM or GS, and you need some other gimmicks than your step score either through research, electives or connections.
Edited by Jackofknives on 05/01/08 - 11:17 PM
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| njcjzy
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Or you can go through 2 year fellowship first in Neurosurgery, gaining more than enough experience, then considering a match in this area. GL.
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| Jackofknives
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you cannot apply for a fellowship in NS unless you have already completed your residency in NS either in the US or abroad. More importantly, you can only obtain board certification by completing a residency, not fellowship. NS is a surgical specialty by itself, similar to urology, which means you cannot just do a GS residency and then apply for NS fellowship then call yourself a neurosurgeon, because there is no such route.
So the bottom line you have to complete a NS residency and in order to do so you have to match.
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| jespocol
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ok....223/90 .....welll now im getting the picture of how hard is it.
but with my score a have a chance in genral surgery ??? welll i hope so.....
but welll im thinking that maybe the best option is to get internal medicinein the us....orgte opthalmology residency right here in my country
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| Argo
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General Surgery is not as tough as neurosurgery .But its tougher than IM.Infact prelim Surgery is slightly easier to get than prelim IM.Many prelim surgery programs has unfilled spots every year.There is a post in this forum about a mexican IMG with scores 85, and 90 something matched into GS. in 2006/2005.I think his user name is Gabriel.Not sure.I read this few months back.So good luck.If you do rotations in Surgery in hospitals which are Foreign grad friendly,I think its possible.But if you want to do invasive Cardiology dont compromise on the Internal medicine residency program.You have to be in a very good program.
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| ssrpk
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Jackofknives wrote:
you cannot apply for a fellowship in NS unless you have already completed your residency in NS either in the US or abroad. More importantly, you can only obtain board certification by completing a residency, not fellowship. NS is a surgical specialty by itself, similar to urology, which means you cannot just do a GS residency and then apply for NS fellowship then call yourself a neurosurgeon, because there is no such route.
So the bottom line you have to complete a NS residency and in order to do so you have to match.
there are fellowship positions offered by several well known institutions, which is designated as pre-residency fellowship for a duration of one to two years, where you work as PGY2and 3 resident, however they are not ACGME accredited therefore do not account for a residency training, but certainly gives enough clinical experience to shine up your resume for much competitive neurosurgery match....although by no means this route is easy enough, but worth a try for die-hard prospective neurosurgeons.
good luck
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| Jackofknives
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pre residency fellowship = prelim surgery and no you dont function as PGY 2 or 3, not in a million years. rather you are there to be the scut monkey, and your job is to do all the scut works so the real residents can operate. prelim is not restricted by the 88 hour rule so expect to get exploited to work 100+. having said that, it is the only way to get into NS if you dont look good on paper.
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