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Hey guys,
I was wondering if you can answer this:
I submitted my applications yesterday and saw today that most of the programs have downloaded my stuff- everything except the LORs and the USMLE transcript...it says they are not uploaded to the ERAS post office. so:
1. When the LORS and USMLE transcript become available(uploaded), are the programs going to download them automatically?
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| silenced, M.D.
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At least 24hrs.
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| medicus_81
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I know it tkaes 24 hours....my question is, after the LORs and the USMLE transcript become available for download would the programs come back and download them- they already have everything else... is it an automatic process? how does it work?
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| silenced, M.D.
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Yes, they will. This has been asked a lot of times.
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| medicus_81
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thanks, silenced MD!
I know that a lot of questions are being asked repeatedly...but I wasn't able to follow the forum for several days- just about the time when the whole process started.
Thank you once again!
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NP
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| hecmd23
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I think the more important question that should be addressed is, if your application already went through the preliminary screening process, will they still review it again once your lors arrive. Downloading applications is almost automatic, but what if your application was already reviewed, once your lors /other document sget uploaded?
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| medicus_81
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Hm.... this is just a specualation. I don't know how fast they are reacting, but I doubt that they review all applications immediately...that still gives me the 24 hours I need to have my application completed.
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| clyde driver
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I too was wondering about that. Would the programs go back and review
my previously submitted documents when let's say one of my LORs arrived
late? And let's say I have LORs A, B, C, D and E where my LORs A, B and
C are just ok/average LORs but are already available and uploaded while
LORs D and E are better but are yet to be sent a few days from now. Of
course Id have to send LORs A, B and C just for the sake of submitting
a complete application fearing that the programs wont look at an
application with incomplete documents. Id also probably check the box
and submit LOR D and just wait for it to arrive and uploaded to then be
downloaded by the programs; but then I wont have a use for my LOR E
since I already have 4 LORs submitted.
My questions are, again..
1) Would they go back and review my earlier documents once my LOR D is available?
2) Can I submit 5 LORs?
3) Should I just wait for all my LORs to arrive to ERAS before submitting them?
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| hecmd23
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yep, my thoughts exactly. I know there are numerous threads about this and this was answered a thousand times with a quote "apply as early as you can with as complete of an application as you can" - but that never really answered the question.
Coz this also addresses the dilemma of many applicants, to apply early or not. Apply too early and you risk having your application reviewed without your other documents uploaded; apply later with complete documents, but you risk having all interview spots filled already.
will they or will they not look at your application AGAIN, once new documents are uploaded, if the application was already reviewed. I know the answer probably varies from program to program.
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| medicus_81
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guys, all my documents ARE in ERAS...I sent them there 5-6 weeks ago. That doesn't matter because when you assign them and apply, it still takes 1-2 business days for them to be uploaded and made available to programs...so the point is that even with a "complete application" you are at the mercy of ERAS and the software of the programs....
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| sarika
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exactly medicus, the programs i applied yesterday did not get my usmle transcript up until this evening. Some of them have already downloaded my application prior to the upload. Now im sure they will download the complete application but its possible they have already reviewed my application, since it was incomplete, they might have put it on hold. In the company of so many better candidates, they might never come back.....so it all depends on the program.
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| jaydoc
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guys.... chill it....
we are all getting too worked up at the moment... what with the stress of exams and scores and applications and fees and hard work and time and age....phew....
i think the programs aren't as much keen as we are at the moment. except for one or two, the rest are still cooling their heels at the moment. i think they will warm up in 10 or 12 days time. enough time for all of us to have our 'complete' apps to get downloaded.
until then pray, don't fret...!
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| clyde driver
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I understand what you are trying to say medicus. These are things that
we dont have control of but what Im pointing at is that we could focus
on things that we could control. We could send a complete application
but just have to wait a little longer or send an incomplete
application. I could try to wait for a few more days for my better LORs
to get to ERAS or just submit what is at my disposal. Dr. Sabiston and
Dr. Schwartz's(did i spell that right) letters of recommendation might
spell the difference in me getting a certain slot. Hehehe. I was just
kidding. Are they still alive?
Now going back to my question, can i send 5 LORs to the programs Im applying at?
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| azygous
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you can only assign 4 LORs ( u can send as many LORs to ERAS as u want).
The downloading part of your application is mandatory for programs..
let me paint you this
1) u apply to eras-----2) programs had to download everything in your ERAS-3) the software filters the applications--4) the PC goes tru the applications 5) then the PD goes thru the applications 6) the review committe if any goes thru 7) the decesion is made whther to call u or not...
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| hecmd23
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I think the process is pretty clear for me azygous (having gone through the match last year, I'm quite familiar with it already). Downloading is almost automatic, there's no question about it. Once a document is available, it HAS to be downloaded to your "application folder". But that DOESN'T necessarily mean that your application will be reviewed again, if it has gone through the preliminary screening process already.
What clyde (and I) are trying to point out is whether a 3rd or 4th possibly stronger LOR (that was just uploaded at ERAS later in the season)will be reviewed by the committee - yes it WILL be downloaded, but will your application be reviewed AGAIN if it was already screened. So, should you delay applying, and be at risk of being late, or should you apply anyway, but run the risk of being reviewed too early? There's no easy answer.
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| medicus_81
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Geee, I see I am not the only one worrying )) It's hard to stay cool headed in this period, isn't it? Well, we don't have a lot of options but pray everything will be alright!
Good luck!!!!
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| azygous
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@hecmd23 it depends on by the amount of application they receive and the program that u r applying..
my best guess would be no..cauz if they get 2000 applications and if u are one of them, then there is no going back and looking at ur 4th LOR..
correct me if i m wrong..
I am in the same boat..i havent applied yet as my 4th and most imp LOR hasnt been scanned yet..
i am applying next week with all 4 LOR as i know if get IV it will be bauz of this LOR..
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1. Programs have to download all the documents that are assigned to them. We can't pick and choose. I get all documents or no documents. It's fairly easy.
2. If a new letter is assigned and another taken away or unassigned - then when I upload, the bad letter goes away and I get the new letter. Yes, there is a mechanism that let's a program know when new documents arrive.
Relax. It's not time to panic.
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| clyde driver
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Thanks BBB. Can I really do that, unassign a LOR, even if it has already been sent and downloaded by the program? because if this is true then i wouldnt hav to worry about waiting for my better LORs to arrive. I can just send what is at my disposal then replace it later.
Thanks again bbb.
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clyde driver wrote:
Thanks BBB. Can I really do that, unassign a LOR, even if it has already been sent and downloaded by the program? because if this is true then i wouldnt hav to worry about waiting for my better LORs to arrive. I can just send what is at my disposal then replace it later.
Thanks again bbb.
I'm pretty certain but that's your side of ERAS not mine. Check out MyERAS and find out.
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| clyde driver
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I just read it in ERAS that if the LOR has been sent to the program then it cant be unassigned/deassigned.
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| AAzad
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as much as you are looking to get a residency position they are looking to get a resident.I believe they are not looking to exclude you , but looking to include the strongest for position applied.so send what ever you can grab and inform them.
Good luck
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| clyde driver
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Hey hecmd. I think I got this all figured out. There is probably no way
that all our documents will get to the programs all at the same time
except when the programs/coordinators are a little bit inefficient in
checking their mailbox for submitted applications. Other documents are
uploaded almost automatically once you apply to the programs but the
LORs still need 1-2 business days to get uploaded. Lets say I apply to
a program X today. if the PC downloads my documents as soon as
she receives my application then my LORs wont still be there. So I
guess its probably better to submit what we have right now.
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| hecmd23
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hey there clyde, yep, i think it is wise to send whatever we have right now. But what's eating me up is, what if I apply to a program, for example today sept 10, and I have 3 lors available already, but a fourth (lets say my strongest lor) is yet to be uploaded, and it won't be uploaded in the next 2-3 weeks because eras just received it (it has yet to be scanned). What if, the program reviews my application tomorrow, will they still review my application 2 weeks from now when my strongest lor arrives? But I dare not send my application 2-3 weeks from now because it might be late already.....
I think that's the confusion we had with this thread. They were referring to a 2-3 day delay from uploading SCANNED documents to the system, but i was referring to at least two weeks delay for uploading documents NOT YET scanned.
I think for the upload of scanned documents, we really don't have to worry much about it, 2-3 days delay will not make too much of a difference. It's the 2 week delay of scanning that worries me. Don't get me wrong, I had my application completed months before the season started, everything uploaded even before sept 1 arrived. It's just that I have to bust my ass off working in research, so that I could get a good lor from the doctor I'm working with, and it does take some time to impress someone, before you can confidently ask for a strong lor. And that's my case. I'm just hoping they review my application when that lor's uploaded already. Coz like what azygous said, that 4th LOR might make a difference in getting an interview or not.
Edited by hecmd23 on 09/10/07 - 02:53 PM
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