| USMLE score >90 <98 |
fox, doczn, gr8doc, promoter, mohmjorden |
5 |
22% |
| USMLE score >98 |
Hotobhaga, Gregory, heartsurgeon, ssrpk, PanduGundu, kingsofke, quaidian148, Sh7, UWstep3, surgerybeast, BitterPill |
11 |
48% |
| US LOR? |
Gregory, fox, kingsofke, quaidian148, doczn, somdhan, UWstep3, promoter, surgerybeast, smal, mohmjorden, BitterPill |
12 |
52% |
| Observership/Externship? |
Gregory, ssrpk, PanduGundu, cs_usmle_can, fox, quaidian148, somdhan, Sh7, UWstep3, promoter, smal, mohmjorden, BitterPill, CocaCola |
14 |
61% |
| Green card? |
Gregory, doczn, somdhan, gr8doc, smal, mohmjorden, CocaCola |
7 |
30% |
| Research? |
Gregory, ssrpk, cs_usmle_can, fox, kingsofke, doczn, somdhan, Sh7, promoter, mohmjorden, BitterPill, CocaCola |
12 |
52% |
| ECFMG certified? |
Hotobhaga, Gregory, heartsurgeon, ssrpk, PanduGundu, cs_usmle_can, fox, kingsofke, quaidian148, doczn, somdhan, Sh7, UWstep3, promoter, smal, romodoc, BitterPill, CocaCola |
18 |
78% |
| Step 3? |
Gregory, heartsurgeon, fox, quaidian148, Sh7, UWstep3, promoter, smal, BitterPill |
9 |
39% |
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Miradautas Vras
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well maverick you forgot to answer our questions or what!!
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| stony_meadow
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hi maverick, dnt knw the answer to ur question cos i avnt done either.
cld u help with mine? tanx.
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| Miradautas Vras
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Well i think
nbme is more important than any qbank scores.
I suggest she take some more time , revise her weak areas and give NBME again. If I'd be in her place i wouldn't go for exam. NBME is certainly more predictive .
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i agree with miradautas vras. nbme is more predictive. your scores are usually +/- 2 at the best 5, especially if you prepared adequately for the nbme. from the little study i carried out while studying, i also found out that most people do not get much difference in their scores when they postpone by less than 3 weeks. it happened to me too. i got my NBME score +/- 2 at both steps 1, 2 and i got exactly teh same at step 3. so for her, if she is happy with her score, she should go ahead and take the exam, otherwise, postpone for at least 3 weeks.
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| maverick
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Miradautas Vras - categsurg very unlikely. u r looking for aprelim spot right now
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stony_meadow - do electives in gen surg and get goodLORs from reputed attendings/institutes. mph not that useful unless from places like harvard, hopkins. research wud be good though. depends how much timeu have and when u r giving ur steps. if applying for 2009 match u need to give steps by sept next year. so try get 99/99 in those
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thanks fr the suggestions guys
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tanx, maverick. advice well taken.
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Hi Maverick! Great thread and million thanks for your help. Not able to respond to your question because I have taken none.
I sent some Qs over emails to some PDs of surgery programs. One program asks for 2 yrs of USCE and states observerships are not USCE. Well.. electives are just a few months, clinical research i guess it doesn't count, externships are almost impossible to get and I don't even think they're allowed by law to let you work... what's left? How to get 2 years of USCE?
Preliminary Surgery Residency does not count, because this requirement is for PGY1 spot and after doing Prelim PGY1 you're not allowed to repeat PGY1 on cat (at least that's what I know) and a few yrs in residency in other speciality is not desirable and they won't like it.
Is this just a very polite way of saying "Get lost"? Thanks a lot for your reply!
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hey manunastai, well its true that this might mean in other wordsd that they don't want us, but i talked to quite a few surgeons in USA, and they mentioned that it is technically possible to repeat PGY-1 on a catgorical route after completing PGY-1 preliminary, however the reason why it isn't very much favored among the foreign graduates community is the fact that a lot of us requires visa, and J1 don't allow us to repeat years....which otherwise might be possible if the candidate has green card or citizenship.
but one interesting thing i found out, if the program directors who is recruiting the candidate provides strong recommendation on resident's behalf, to ecfmg regarding repitition of PGY-1 year, then ECFMG might consider it, but that depends on a individual cases....don't know how applicable it is, but defnitely not to be taken for granted.
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Great man! Thanks for your quick reply. By the way, I saw there are 2 kinds of peliminary position: for one year and for 2. What's that all about? if you sign for 2 yrs can't you convert after one?
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i guess that was for 2nd year prelim, which ofcousre after u have completed year 1 on a prelim.
very very few programs have that.
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no, no... there are programs that offer 2 yrs preliminary positions, not extension of the first yr.. that'sdifferent.
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ahaan, okay, i did'nt check that out maybe..but that's better than one year prelim....with one littke problem
on j1 we will not be allowed to change program after 2 years of residency, so the only option left for us is to get a categorical contract in that same program or otherwise, so considering this problem not a very healthy option it is...
anyway buddy good luck, i read somewhere u are going for 2010 match, so u got plenty of time to work out on how to crack the system
good lcuk
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| ManuNastai
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thanks dude! good luck to you too
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| Miradautas Vras
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hmm so looks like future is bleak. anyways thanks maverick for answer! badluck struck me first time and very hard on step 1!!
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Manunastai: "I sent some Qs over emails to some PDs of surgery programs. One program asks for 2 yrs of USCE and states observerships are not USCE. Well.. electives are just a few months, clinical research i guess it doesn't count, externships are almost impossible to get and I don't even think they're allowed by law to let you work... what's left? How to get 2 years of USCE?
Preliminary Surgery Residency does not count, because this requirement is for PGY1 spot and after doing Prelim PGY1 you're not allowed to repeat PGY1 on cat (at least that's what I know) and a few yrs in residency in other speciality is not desirable and they won't like it."
Carribean grads get 2 years USCE.
u r allowed to do PGY1 prelim and then PGY1 categ, even on J1 visa. know 4 freinds who r doing it this year.
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ssrpk:
ahaan, okay, i did'nt check that out maybe..but that's better than one year prelim....with one littke problem
on j1 we will not be allowed to change program after 2 years of residency, so the only option left for us is to get a categorical contract in that same program or otherwise, so considering this problem not a very healthy option it is...
anyway buddy good luck, i read somewhere u are going for 2010 match, so u got plenty of time to work out on how to crack the system
good lcuk
u r not allowed to change after 3 yrs, not 2 years.
programs offering 2 yr prelim: u wash, yale.... they r pretty good programs
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are u sure maverick its three years, because i called ecfmg regarding this matter, and they said two years, maybe this three year restriction is some other context.
anyway how is it going? how the surgery rotation treating you
good luck mate
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| muzammil
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i also heard that limit for residency switch on j1 was 2 years.
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its definitly 2 years
this is what ecfmg says about it
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http://www.ecfmg.org/evsp/faq.html#8
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but it says changing specilty what exactly is meant by changing specilty. is switching from prelim to catagorical considered in switching speciality
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Hey guys, I have a question, I'm late aplyig now, but still want to give it a shot for next match, I have mid 80s both steps pass cs, all first atempts. The number of applicatios Im sending is greater than the programs i had time to do gather information from.
My question is if I should mark categorical AND preliminar for all the programs I apply to, since my chances of getting a categ this year are very low?
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maverick,
it is great that you are taking time to come back and help others.
Kudos to you!! God will always be with you.
I am 99 MBBS graduate, GC, MS from home country in general surgery, DNB, MRCS, and work experience till 2006,99/99 but fail in CS.......it has really depressed me as I never expected this.anyway will it be very detrimental? I am applying next year only. Can you advise me on how to get an observership or research for 1 year. I am at wits end!!
also am female and i know it is a male dominated field!
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