| USMLE score >90 <98 |
fox, doczn, gr8doc, promoter, mohmjorden |
5 |
22% |
| USMLE score >98 |
Hotobhaga, Gregory, heartsurgeon, ssrpk, PanduGundu, kingsofke, quaidian148, Sh7, UWstep3, surgerybeast, BitterPill |
11 |
48% |
| US LOR? |
Gregory, fox, kingsofke, quaidian148, doczn, somdhan, UWstep3, promoter, surgerybeast, smal, mohmjorden, BitterPill |
12 |
52% |
| Observership/Externship? |
Gregory, ssrpk, PanduGundu, cs_usmle_can, fox, quaidian148, somdhan, Sh7, UWstep3, promoter, smal, mohmjorden, BitterPill, CocaCola |
14 |
61% |
| Green card? |
Gregory, doczn, somdhan, gr8doc, smal, mohmjorden, CocaCola |
7 |
30% |
| Research? |
Gregory, ssrpk, cs_usmle_can, fox, kingsofke, doczn, somdhan, Sh7, promoter, mohmjorden, BitterPill, CocaCola |
12 |
52% |
| ECFMG certified? |
Hotobhaga, Gregory, heartsurgeon, ssrpk, PanduGundu, cs_usmle_can, fox, kingsofke, quaidian148, doczn, somdhan, Sh7, UWstep3, promoter, smal, romodoc, BitterPill, CocaCola |
18 |
78% |
| Step 3? |
Gregory, heartsurgeon, fox, quaidian148, Sh7, UWstep3, promoter, smal, BitterPill |
9 |
39% |
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maverick
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am a PGY1 surgery resident. if u guys have any questions feel free to shoot. will try to answer as and when i get time.
Do fill the poll above. jsut curious to know how the competition is this year
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| dev
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hey mav, how is it going? just surprised to see you online in surgery pgy1. hope you are having great time. how are the hours like??
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| muzammil
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hi mavrick nice to see you here i have beena silent observer of your posts last year. i have the centuries old question for you. now as u r in the sytem wud u advice a surgery aspirant to accept a prelim spot or prelim is a big no no.
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| muzammil
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dev nice to see u too.
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| Hotobhaga
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Hey Maverick Congrats on that match..The Tank charges on.... I have all seen u r posts last year. Tell me, I am a 1988 grad and so many programs have a cutoff date. that leaves me abt 18 to choose from. i am a surgeon in active practice in my native country all this time. Is it unreasonable for me to want to get into cat surg. Scores are 228/95 step 1 and 250/99 step 2
Edited by Hotobhaga on 08/26/07 - 02:08 PM
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| heartsurgeon
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hi,
i graduated from medical school in india in 2005.immediately joined ms gen.surgery and will be completing in march 2008.hence i am 3yr old graduate who will be having a postgraduate degree in surgery by 2008 march.my profile is 99/255,99/254,2cs pass,88/213.i also have several university rank certificates.i do not have any us clinical experience or research.i am interested in categorical surgery in any type of programme or preliminary surgery in likes of mayo,cleveland,johns hopkins.keeping all this in perspective what are my realistic chances.
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| ssrpk
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hey maverick, i have the same question as muzammil, you pulled off a categorical spot in surgery, which many of us are aspiring for. I have an observersip rotation scheduled in october in surgery, will it be helpful for categorical spot, i have visa issues as well.
Or is it better if i try to find some research work in USA this year, so that I may have beter chances next year.
Please advice
and good luck for your residency and please clarify ur visa status
thanks s lot and enjoy ur residency
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| PanduGundu
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Hi everyone,
I graduated in Jan 2006 .I am from India.I am planning to apply for surgery 2008.I hv scores of 99(247)/99(254)/cs passed/1 mo of observership in IM.I dont hv any USCE in surgery .With these credentials can I apply for surgery?I s it a tough /impossible job?Please guide me.
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| maverick
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hey dev, life is good. yeah dont get much free time, but thought as and when free can come here sometime to help out and give back advice i got. hours are approx 5:30am to 7pm
muzammil - if u really want surgery and nothing else, then go for prelim. many r not able to convert. if u r good, u shud be ale to. question arises whether to do prelim at a big place like mayo, upenn or a small place where internal conversion is higher. its very polarised on this point. those in favor of small places, argue that the highest chances for conversion r within the same program. those in favor of big places, argue that even if chances for conversion r low at the same place, u r competitive for other univs across the country unlike doing it from a small place. its ultimately ur choice
hotobhaga - it would be difficult. u may have to do prelim year. but if u really impress there u cant rule it out
heartsurgeon - chances are average. without US LORs in this day and age, can be difficult but still possible to get direct categ surg. so do some observerships. else prelim where if u impress try for categ next year
ssrpk - do an observership at a big place and get good LORs. thats the key. research is good, but takes more time and community hospitals (where u will get most of ur interviews) prefer it over research. taking a year off for research is not a bad idea either but then depends who u do it under and chances of being able to publish anything. what visa issues do u have?
i am on J1 but h1 is preferable.
pandu-sure scores r god. try to do surg observership. its not easy. everyone has 99/99. Its the rest of the application and interview which wud seperate u
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| ssrpk
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hey maverick, i am running short of tme here, and i need loads of info on programs, especially regarding visa sponsorships which several programs did'nt mention on their websites, now these websites like residentscafe and others provide this info...are they reliable, according to your last years experince....can they be relied upon.?
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| heartsurgeon
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hi,
thank you for your inputs.since i am still in my residency back home and will finish in march i guess my back up can only be preliminary surgery as there is no scope to do an observership.
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| maverick
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ssrpk - dunno dude i had contacted programs individually then applied to any who had h/o taking IMGs.
heartsurgeon - then u r applying next year for 2009 match right? so u will have time b4 next sept
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| medicnull
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mav ...just one quick qus...would u mind telling us about the palces whereu got interviews from ....i am just curios about the palces ...so we all can apply to atleast those programme.
Cheers!
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mavrick thanks for answering my q i have one more add on q to my prvious q. whats ahead of a prilim spot if in case i am not able to convert it to catgorical i mean what elose can i do from that point onward considering if i ma on j1.
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| black_horse
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I just have a couple of questions, the IMGs who got into PGY1 prelim and then couldn't get into PGY2, what do they do? Can they apply to PGY1 categ?
And this is a quote from what a surgery resident wrote on digitaldoc:
"If you are really really dedicated about surgery, then forget about how long it takes.. the best method would be to get a research position in some top notch university like harvard ( i know ppl who have got in there ), get the research on an H1 visa, work for 2 to 3 years, get a green card, and then apply for a catagorical position in surgery, that is how your future would be safe.. and you would eventually become a surgeon"
what do you think, will research experience help one get a into categ?
Thanks in advance.
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| heartsurgeon
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hi,
i will be applying for 2008 match as i will be finishing surgery back home before it starts in the us.
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| maverick
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muzammil - ortho, radiology, anesthesia, obg (not sure), family med (not sure). basically dont know too much about that track. u gotta find out urself
black horse - well they take a yea off, do research, etc. not very sure as we dont get to meet those who dont make it during interviews. yes they try applying again i guess.
yeah research would help a lot, maybe not much for community programs though. but its not just research. it shud involve some papers. Green card would increase ur chances a lot. However somebody has to sponsor it for u, which is difficult.
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| maverick
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medicnull -->
PLACES I GOT INTERVIEW CALLS FROM:
Maimonides Medical Center, NY PRELIM
Bronx Lebanon, NY CAT
Easton Hospital, PA CAT
Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN PRELIM
Caritas St. Elizabeth, MA CAT
Creighton University, NE CAT
Univ of South Carolina SOM, SC CAT
Harlem, NY CAT
St Joseph, Ann Arbor, MI CAT
University of Kentucky PRELIM
Wash Univ School of Medicine, MO CAT
Albert Einstein Montefiore, NY PRELIM
Yale University, CT PRELIM
St Joseph, Pontiac, MI CAT
University of New Mexico, NM CAT
North-Shore Long Island Jewish, NY AMBIGUOUS - didnt say whether prelim or cat
Fairfax INOVA hospital, PA CAT
Mass General Hosp, MA PRELIM
Abington Memorial, PA PRELIM, but ranked for both CAT and PRELIM
Chicago Metropolitan Hospital PRELIM
But this is only a small list as I know many others who got invited to many different programs, so there must be at least 30 more worth applying to.
Sharvil's (had a GC) list for the previous year:
Albert Einstein Montefiore - prelim,
St. Vincent's Manhattan - prelim,
NYMC Brooklyn queens - Categorical,
New York Methodist - P and C,
UMDNJ - C,
Monmouth Medical Center - interviewed me for P but ranked me for C,
St. Francis Trenton - P and C,
Abington Memorial Pennsylvania - interviewed me for P but ranked me for P and C,
Graduate hospital, Philly - P and C,
Nassau University - P and C,
Creighton University, Nebraska - C,
Mayo Clinic, MN - P,
Huron Hospital, ohio - P,
St. John's Detroit - P,
Easton Hospital, PA - P and C,
U. Penn - P
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| muzammil
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thanx mevrick
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| muzammil
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can u please tell me should we apply for both catagorical and prelim in the same program?
and if we do apply for both catagorical and prelim what shud we write in the subspecilety after prelim in CAF ? or leave it balnk if one want to pursue surgery in future.
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| Miradautas Vras
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well maverick . I don't see space for a 80s grad in your list! anyways i got 88 in step 1, had a major server f*** up and can't help it now. anyways i still have other steps to give and stuff. I am interested in cardiology [ both interventions and surgical ] . I am a fresh grad[ Feb 2007 ] and i have joined my MPH in epidemiology at Emory university , Atlanta. I am studying for step 2 side by side and one advantage i have is we have free access to every department of medical school and i have chance to work with any of them as an official part of my curriculum [ many faculties being associate profs in public health school too]. Now as i have already stated i am interested in both interventional and surgical cardiology and I'll be applying for the 2008/2009 match , thats I'll apply next 1st Sep with hopefully all my steps [ inc 3 ] complete.
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| Miradautas Vras
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What i wanted to inquire was that is it ok if i apply to both surgery and medicine programs at the same place? i mean would it affect me negatively if i apply to both of the specialties at the same uni/hospital? I also wanted to ask what i can do to improve my CV while i am here doing my MPH and if is should hope for getting a cat surg with those 88 step 1s sitting over my head. I don't know what my future step scores will be but one thing i am sure about is i don't wanna end up in a prelim surg position with no predictable future in my hand. I am game for either H1/J1 as i aren't much keen on settling down in USA. My prime goal is a fellowship.
Any ideas/opinions regarding my situation are appreciated!
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| maverick
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muzammil - apply for both. leave it blank. thats what mostly everyone does
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| stony_meadow
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Hi maverick,
tanx a lot on ur finding time to reply the different posts.
I am an IMG going for a categorical gen surgery residency for the 2009 match. right now i hv graduated and am doing my internship and preppn the USMLE steps. I have 2 months clinical experience in IM and neurosurgery in nov and dec 2006 with 2 letters of recommendations.
Now i dont know wether to go for more externship/elective/observership in general surgery before
OR
should I go for a masters in pub hth and try to obtain some sort of research experience as well as observership (i av cleard the gre, but dnt wnt to apply yet till am sure)
OR
should i just go for a research position in gen surgery in US without doing mph/observership
OR
wat exactly do i do
Another thing, how much US clinical experience is enough experience, and should it all be in general surgery only? i also av green card.
pls am really confused and will need ur help cos i av to make a decision soonest and also did u do research?
tanx.
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| maverick
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can u guys help me out with the question i posted about the correlation of UW nbme and step 2 ck
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