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have u signed any papers ?
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| shumaila
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i cant understand how did u match in fellowship without residency plz try to clear my query
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| intern_doc
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oh man, I think you are CONFU BIG TIME..
fellowship BEFORE residency ? I hope this is not in the US.
wow...it's like I got into gastroenterology fellowship w/o residency. Can you tell me where so that I can apply ?
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| GOGETA
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hey people comone give the guy a break besides I'm the only one that make those commentaries.
Any how sometimes people from OUT of USA are invited here to USA to do some rotations as a fellow because they are already a IM or a surgeon in their country. They come here do the rotations and then go back to their country but if he apply for residency here then that is something else.
I think this is what he meant
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| GOGETA
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intern_doc wrote:
oh man, I think you are CONFU BIG TIME..
Let me correct you is not confu is Kunfu
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| dev
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guys you can do a fellowship without residency. but in order to practise in USA you have to residency later. its not a bad approach but takes a longer time and its usually with people who have done residencies back home.
some of the hospitals will actually give you a years waiver so you can do 2 yr residency.
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| medicnull
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well guys ...let me make few things clear .... you can do fellowship as long as you have expericne(residency from back home which i have) in your subject and for fellowship you need to do have exp for 3 years or in some cases 4 years .
I havent signed any paper yet but i got matched for 2008 but now i want to apply for 2008 residecny and i am not sure whether ecfmg will allow me to do that or not .
Thats was my qus to BBS can i apply for it or not
And yes i am confused as i want to do residency but to to practise in US u shd have done residency from states only (otherwise you can practise ur sub specaility only )
So BBS can you ans me please .........sept 1 is coming soon
Thanks
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| GOGETA
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GOGETA wrote:
hey people comone give the guy a break besides I'm the only one that make those commentaries.
Any how sometimes people from OUT of USA are invited here to USA to do some rotations as a fellow because they are already a IM or a surgeon in their country. They come here do the rotations and then go back to their country but if he apply for residency here then that is something else.
I think this is what he meant
I just clafify it, and I do not get any credit
It seems bbb is the one he wants, but bbb is very busy and you never know when she will have time to post again
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| motorola
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medicnull wrote:
And yes i am confused as i want to do residency but to to practise in US u shd have done residency from states only (otherwise you can practise ur sub specaility only )
is that true that u can practice that specialty without a residency ? i am not sure.
and if u can ... ... ... why do u want to do anything else ? just practice your specialty !!!
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| medicnull
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This is true motorola and i just asked BBS as she knows and she must have seen guys like me ....and anyone can ans this qus as long as they know about it
Gogeta ....no all credit goes to you .i just made ur point much stronger thats it .....nothing more then that .
Just for example ....if you are a surgeon and if you have done fellowship in colorectal then u can only work in colorectal unit ....and its diff to get colorectal jobs and hospital prefer those guys who can do gen surgery as well ( as u get all kind of cases and in states all what matter is money nothing else.....)
Thanks guys so reply every one please
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| crazydr
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HI Medicnull
If you got matched through NRMP it is a agreement that you will be joining the program. When you registered for NRMP it will ask for acceptance/ decline for rules and regulation and if you are doing so it is against the NRMP Violation and you can't go for match again this year unless the fellowship program itself waives you. The other option is you can apply for Residency and you can go for prematch agreemnt and get the contact signed and you can inform the fellowship program for personal resona you can't take the post as long as both the psot no way come to know each other, otherwise it may have some repercussions i the long term. It all depends the specialites you have chosen and want to choose and the ability to take all risks and have Plan B ready.Hope this helps you.
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| the_holy_man
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medicnull wrote:
Just for example ....if you are a surgeon and if you have done fellowship in colorectal then u can only work in colorectal unit ....and its diff to get colorectal jobs and hospital prefer those guys who can do gen surgery as well ( as u get all kind of cases and in states all what matter is money nothing else.....)
Thanks guys so reply every one please
Are you sure about this, that you can practice your subspeciality without the residency? I though residency was a must to get a license regardless of fellowship.
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| puchpal
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no guys dont try and create mindless confusion
YES people can get a fellowship if they have a clinical experience back home
and yes i also diagree to the fact that u need residency to practice
ya you cant do general surgery (say)
but if you do your fellowship
you will get ample job oppurtunities
RELAX my friends in radiology are getting good job offers
so my advise
dont think abt the rsdncy
go for the fellowship
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| pyruvate
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its not that easy.not all feilds of medicine are recognised.radiology is exception.lot of fellowship spots are vacant,close to 55% unfilled each year.so thats why they are taking in imgs for fellowships,but that has to be done for 4 yrs at the same place,with work hrs similar to residency.
other feilds 99% filled,very difficult to get in,no such provision as in radiology where in you can get board certified.
loads of mrcp and frcs come in after usmle,but they go thro the whole residency ,other than radiology,few specialities of orthopedics,its difficult.more over you may not have unrestricted liscence.less freedom and job opportunities.
i also heard that most of these direct fellowship imgs end up working in university hospitals where they trained under restricted liscence,more so like researcher,or teaching faculty.
i may be wrong,but any one who has first hand info may let us know.
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| medicnull
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that sound like a nice advice
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| bbb
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Doing a fellowship first doesn't always make you a great candidate for a residency. Many fellows get a chip on their shoulder because they don't want to be at the bottom of the food chain again.
It's not very widespread - I've seen in done a handful of times. My PD usually doesn't care for these applications.
p.s. The BBS confused me - who is BBS?
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| pyruvate
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dear bbb, i have seen few imgs who were radiologists from abroad,are getting into direct fellowships and i guess they get board certification after 4 yrs .why only radiology,why not other feilds?
one more thing i wanna ask is are they allowed to work like any other radiologist who has done residency in u.s?or they work only in their related speciality?also can they seeks jobs any where or some restrictions?
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| bbb
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pyruvate wrote:
dear bbb, i have seen few imgs who were radiologists from abroad,are getting into direct fellowships and i guess they get board certification after 4 yrs .why only radiology,why not other feilds?
one more thing i wanna ask is are they allowed to work like any other radiologist who has done residency in u.s?or they work only in their related speciality?also can they seeks jobs any where or some restrictions?
No clue - I don't work in radiology. But are they board certified in Radiology or a field of Radiology?
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| pyruvate
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i guess in that perticular fellowship speciality.say like interventional radiology,they get to work for 4 yrs which may be 1-2 yrs of fellowship,and 1-2 yrs of faculty and then they are elligible for boards of that speciality.will they have to later get back and do radiology residency?
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| medicnull
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but BBS i asked ...that i have got matched for fellowship ..can i still apply for residency thid year ...fellowship will start in July 2008
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| bbb
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Who is BBS?
If you mean me, BBB.....I don't know the answer. I haven't worked in that field. Traditionally, people do residency, then fellowship. Since you are accepted into a Fellowship, there is nothing stopping you from completing that and applying for residency. Now during your one year fellowship, you will have to take your vacation time to interview for residency - don't forget to plan for that.
Good luck
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| vsp99
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Hi,
if you haven't sign a contract yet, you can apply for a residency. otherwise you violent fellowship rules. There is strictly written that you MUST follow their rules.
You can apply for a residency after fellowship. This is an advantage in some programs, and this is a disadvantage in others. You will have to choose carefully.
GL.
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| gr8doc
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which fellowship have you got selected for ? if it is a reputed one & there are stil chances for the program to advertise for the vacancy, you can escape unscratched.Otherwise, it is advisable that you finish your fellowship and then apply for a residency.
GL.
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| medicnull
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its one of surgical fellowship ....not very popular one that why I(IMG) got it ...i think i will apply for resdency and if i will get some interviews then i will go and speak to PD...
Sorry for calling you BBS....i just did not realise that i am writing it wrong.....
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