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The USMLE says that they made the test in a way that someone that score a 200 today have the same knowledge from some one that score a 200 a couple of years ago, actually they say 4 years ago.
1- The test has less buzzwords
2- The test has more clinical scenarios
3- The test is more multy steps reasoning
4- The test is more difficult
5- They raise the minimum passing score
How they have the ___________ to tell me that to have a passing score today, you knew the same as a guy before, and that a 200 today is like a 200 several years ago.
I think that is boloni.
Yes In theory is standardized test but if that’s the case then based on the five reasons I just gave you are suppose to score less to get the same score.
Who ]wants to give there opinion
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| multifactorial
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whatever they say to standardize the test is rubbish.i am with you gogeta
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| P4a99
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well, then i have a Q:
If the exam is getting harder, how hard can it get? after lets say 5 years or no lets say after 10 years from now is it going to get imposible? i dont think so! Now, before 5 years or after 5 years its still a 2nd year student's exam so there is for sure a top-line for the 5 things you mentioned.(i think!)
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| multifactorial
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praying4a99 also has a point.
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| GOGETA
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Who else want to give there 2 cents?
And where is the creator and supermoderators from prep4usmle? they never post, that I have notice,in the step1 forum, they are in residency or practicing so they might have a good idea of something.
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Hey multi before you got your score did you try to register before they report your grade?
And if yes did it let you register for step1 or some weird message appear that did not let you register?
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| multifactorial
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ya it did let me register and i was so sure that i had flunked the test
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Gogeta... Sorry for this ... but dont you think its better to keep everything here (on topic) ... and keep the discussion informative? ... probably youll end up building an important thread... you know like the other threads made previously by some very well educated members whom some of them are masters right now? ... cuz i realy miss those great threads with the details, information, debates, ... man you feel youre in a great superior inteligant society when you read those good ones ...
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| GOGETA
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In another forum they answer this:
1-The pass line has nothing to do with the significance of the scaled score.
2-I hear you on the scores, but I think old tests were hard in different ways than ours. Doesn't Goljan tell a few stories about ridiculous stuff they used to have on their boards? Ouch..
3-Too many ppl are passing and finding new ways of passing the exam....
But they are cold individuals, but u must understand also that they are also raising the standard of healthcare professionals in the US by doing this
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This is from USMLE.ORG lets hope it gives some answers:
1- what this means?
The content-based standard used for setting the passing score means that as many as 100% of candidates could theoretically pass, or conceivably 0%. The number is not arbitrarily predetermined.
2-Performance standards for USMLE are based on a specified level of proficiency. As a result, no predetermined percentage of examinees will pass or fail the examination.
So I need to score between . Each of these corresponds to answering 60-70% of the items correctly. to PASS
and the part that makes me 
The 3-digit score is calculated using statistical procedures that ensure that scores from different years are on a common scale and have the same meaning.
Before you need 55% to pass now is 60% how are you saying is the same to pass now and 4 years ago.
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| paheli
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great point, gogeta!
i feel there there is no way for us to prove that the exam has gotten a lot harder. nor is there a way for usmle to prove that the exam has stayed the same in equivalence. but the truth is the exam cannot stay the same. as each year passes, students will have more material to practice from, and pretty much nothing on the exam will be new to them. the material in medicine is still vast enough to make us slave, but we would not have to worry about the TYPE of questions and the analytical part. everyone would score a 90-plus.[wouldn't that be great, though!! how i wish!] so i guess by changng the angle of the questions, by giving more weight to some topics from time-to-time, and leaving some things in the dark, they keep us aspirants on our toes. and i think that's the way to make us sharp and competent doctors.i'm not enjoying the preparation pain per se, but i realize that it's a required phase for me to go through, so that i can do the job of keeping people alive.
i think you just gave your exam? anything to do with the fact that you are posting a lot more here?lot of time on your hands now, huh!! lucky you!!have fun!
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for me, it make me feel better knowing that there is a huge staff working behind this exam, really it make me more comfortable ... its better than doing a dumb paper exam with 5-10Qs, you either do great or just screw up ... + it gives you the feeling of equality every where in the world ... i mean there are some good things about this exam (but i hope ill end up passing not just admiring).
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ya i agree 100% with p499.this exam is entirely different from our med school exams and when u pass this exam people actually look upto you.i dont mean that those who dont make it are looked down upon.it is a mere social norm.people associate it with the luck factor also,so when you pass people consider you diligent and lucky at the same time.we also feel like we did something big when we pass this exam or atleast make an attempt on it.on a different note,the exam does tend to get harder by each day.each day there are millions of researches being conducted and so a lot of new material is going down into the books as fact and we need to know facts as doctors,dont we?so i would say that the exam is indeed getting more competitive.also because now we have more study material than we ever had and that also increases the chances of scoring high
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I'm ok with step 1 for AMGs and IMGs from schools w/US-based curriculum. But to make it a requirement for foreign/older grads is ridiculous. They should be exempt from Step 1, and only required to take step2,3. Just my opinion. Ok, maybe it's obvious that I'm not loving step 1 studying right now 
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edie wrote:I'm ok with step 1 for AMGs and IMGs from schools w/US-based curriculum. But to make it a requirement for foreign/older grads is ridiculous. They should be exempt from Step 1, and only required to take step2,3. Just my opinion. Ok, maybe it's obvious that I'm not loving step 1 studying right now
well you have a point there ... you cant just forget everything these poor guys studied and make them go over everything ... like what about making them retake there high school graduation test too ?
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| GOGETA
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Yea imagen a guy chief resident of internal medicine in their country have to read for step1.
Its justa little__________ but we have to be measure by the same rule, so cant complaint to much
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hey gogeta i don't like ur new avatar it seems after all steps we will be like this?
no way! i will consider to quit before that.
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I'm a german IMG and have a hard time digging my way through the american medical education system. Can someone PLEASE tell me, after which step or exam or whatever, a medical student receives his M.D.? Can I as an IMG receive it?
Thanks!
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Maryam187 wrote:I'm a german IMG and have a hard time digging my way through the american medical education system. Can someone PLEASE tell me, after which step or exam or whatever, a medical student receives his M.D.? Can I as an IMG receive it? Thanks!
After you have PASS
USMLE step1, 2 and 2 cs they give you a ECFMG certificate, in wich you are candidate to be license in the USA.
But you need to go into residency.
each state ahs it laws
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usmlefever wrote:
hey gogeta i don't like ur new avatar it seems after all steps we will be like this?
no way! i will consider to quit before that.
LOL
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