ledo111
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| | 07/10/08 - 03:09 AM
| #1676 |
@egy
man,stop it
yeah ,,,plez stop it
u r doing all this stuff to skip al 3ozoma
NO WAY
NO WAY
as im new in the road i always surf the thread of experience
it is always the same
"OMG i couldn't have beleived my eyes when i knew the result ....i thought it would be the worst at all"
dude u cant be the examinee and examined guy at the same moment
and as faddy said we always see our mistakes larger than they really r
just have some fun
don't u think it is over to have stress 4 seven years and ten months then keeps up being stressed out.
sucks
for me i stopped to be stressed out anymore
i have life to live
don't make the damn med mess it
although i love it so much but not to let it mess my life.
we actually have seven catigories in which we should do our best not only our career
*ur spiritual life
*ur health
*developing ur self
*ur family(especial concern on ur fiancee )
*ur social relations (btw this is very imp 4 doctors esp. wz the pharmacist beneath ur *building )
*ur career
*ur bucks
wat do u think of one has only 2 of those ....hmmmm ...like money and career...wat poor life he lives....if u count him in living ppl.
do ur best in all catigories
most doctors fail in this
JUST HAVE FUN
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| becool2020
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| | 07/10/08 - 03:13 AM
| #1677 |
Thanks Faddy & dr elrefai
There are 2 things:
(A) This is what is said on ECFMG:
If your correct and current legal surname consists of more than one name , enter each of the names in the Last Name field.
Enter your full and complete first name in the Rest of Name field. Do not enter an initial only for your first name unless it constitutes your full, correct and legal first name.
If your correct and current legal name includes a middle name or middle initial, enter the middle name/initial in the Rest of Name field.
Be careful that you enter your name in the appropriate fields. Your surname(s) and family name(s) must be entered in the “Last Name” field. Your first and middle names/initials (given names) must be entered in the “Rest of Name” field.
Then it asks for 2 fields:
Last name:
Rest of name:
I though that: The name of the father and the rest of the name (Mohamed Saiid Abdel Rahman) are not given names, they are family names. As indicated by the text in bold all family names should be in LAST NAME field. The first name is the only given name so it should be the only one on REST OF NAME field.
(B)
Use proper case when entering your name. This means you must capitalize the first letter only of each of your names and use lower case for the remainder of the letters. Do not use all capitalization or all lower case.
Spaces between names If your correct and current legal name includes spaces between any of the surnames (family names) you enter in the “Last Name” field or any of the given names you enter in the “Rest of Name” field, you must ensure that you properly indicate the location of the spaces.
All the letters in the passport are capitalized and there are spaces within one names (e.g Abdel Rahman & El Nasharti) they would be considered more than one name so SHOULD I change the name on the passport to be (Abdelrahman & Elnasharti) ? i.e remove the spaces within the names. OR should I but a dash (Abdel-rahman & El-nasharti) and if I put a dash should I capitalize R & N of (rahman & nasharti) so it would be (Abdel-Rahman & El-Nasharti)
It would be very appreciated if one of those with similar name problems who already passed a step tell me how they wrote their names.
I wrote it like this:
Last names: Mohamed Saiid Abdel Rahman El Nasharti (Family names)
Rest of name: Ahmed (First name)
I know it's overthinking but I couldn't help it, I am changing my passport so I want to know how ppl who already passed wrote their names and if I should post form 182 to change my name.
Usually we write El Nasharti as the last name and the rest as the rest of name but due to the fact we don't have middle names (in Egypt) and We have only (first and Family names) and the last name cocept is different (lakab al3a2elah) so I think it would be very useful to hear from those with life experiences especially those who already have resedencies what is the best way to write the name regarding Egyptian names?
Best regards,
Mohamed
Edited by becool2020 on 07/10/08 - 03:39 AM
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| ledo111
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| | 07/10/08 - 03:33 AM
| #1678 |
@mezo
thnx dude
sorry 4 my absence
i had a tiny accident...
my monitor has been exploded.......
boom..
as if some guy hate my posts here
do u know him mezo
sure not u...u r my buddy
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| ledo111
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| | 07/10/08 - 03:38 AM
| #1679 |
@faddy
thnx 4 reply on my post few days ago
i wish u tell me which material u have bought
and if u will keep it wz out using it like that
i don't mind to take it ........i will force myself to do so
regarding the spannish stuff u r using....wait 4 me ...im on my way
but how come?!! i think ur gf is russian
MAUKKK just 4 males(not gay mezo just polite gUy )
ADIOS
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 07/10/08 - 05:26 AM
| #1680 |
becool, what a huge post!
becool2020 wrote:
I though that: The name of the father and the rest of the name (Mohamed Saiid Abdel Rahman) are not given names, they are family names. As indicated by the text in bold all family names should be in LAST NAME field. The first name is the only given name so it should be the only one on REST OF NAME field.
This is not correct, you misunderstood.. its as simple as the following:
Last name: El Nasharty
Rest of name: Ahmed mohamed said... etc
This is what they said, which is opposite to what you've thought:
becool2020 wrote:
Your surname(s) and family name(s) must be entered in the “Last Name” field. Your first and middle names/initials (given names) must be entered in the “Rest of Name” field. [/u]
your family name is El Nasharty... everything else in "Rest of Name" field in same order!
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 07/10/08 - 05:36 AM
| #1681 |
Ledo111, sounds to me like an emergency call
I was preparing from kaplan notes, there are many other sources I wasnt aware of... they say Goljan is also good... etc, do a search under step 1 materials or prep materials.. you gon find heaps of them!!
Unfortunately I got rid of everything right after I was done with the exam, but you'll find them everywhere!
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| ledo111
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| | 07/10/08 - 05:40 AM
| #1682 |
@faddy
hola
thnx dude
i actually was talking abt the material of the TOEFL not the usmle
any way thnx 4 ur kindness
adios
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 07/10/08 - 05:56 AM
| #1683 |
I do have them but they are like 8-9 yrs old, you can take them if you want.. just make sure if they'll be of any use..
Holla back at ya!
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| maoudoody
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| | 07/10/08 - 09:37 AM
| #1684 |
ledo:
give me the money and i will make the other 6 aspects of my life wonderful!!!!!!
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| dr_elreifai85
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| | 07/10/08 - 10:28 AM
| #1685 |
again @ becool
last name field: El Nasharti
rest of name field: Ahmed Saiid Mohamed Abdel Rahman
and it better 2 b the names with the same spelling in the passpaort
if the name in the passport different from that in u faculty u hav to issue acertificate that the 2 names belong 2 one person
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| egyusmler
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| | 07/10/08 - 08:56 PM
| #1686 |
Mezo wrote:
Hey Usmler,
Could u tell us about ur experience, when did u started ur test ?? how was ur breaks ??? did u got the Audio and Video qs ?? how many ?? how difficult ?? what was the most stressed topic ?? how many ECGs ?? how many Biostatistics ?? how many step1 related qs ?? how many brain CTs ???
BREAKS:
I have started my test around 9 AM....I took the first two blocks with only a 2-3 minutes break while I`m setting on my seat..Just for reciting el Fateha and pray for el Naby Sallah Allah alayh Wa sallam.this what a Libian Guy advised me to do while I was getting up the stairs of the center
I then took a longer break after the 2nd,and the 3rd blocks(ab 5 minutes after each one).
I had a light lunch+a cup of coffee after the 4th block.
inbetween the 5th-8th blocks I got a break(5minutes)after each one.
AUDIOS and EKGs:
I`m sorry to say that I`m weak at these areas.So I had to guess and choose any answer.Most of time,I didnt know what they were about so I cant tell how difficult they were...anyway,I got only ab 2 murmurs and another 2 ab EKGs.
BIOSTATISTICS:
I was waiting for its questions from time to time..But unfortunately I had only ab 3 although I spent long time studying them..Dont worry,very easy stuff.
STEP-1:
I only got very few questions(may be 2 or 3)that seem to be related to step-1 e.g.which nerve affected?what is the mechanism?what is the muscle affected...BUT I can say honestly step-1 is not a problem at all for taking step2-ck for two reasons: 1st>very very few questions...2nd>u can answer these questions just from ur readings of CK.
BRAIN CTs:
I think I got only one..but I really dont remeber what it was ab..sorry
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| egyusmler
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| | 07/10/08 - 09:13 PM
| #1687 |
NotFaddyAcids wrote: As you know my dearest USMLER! We have to use you!! so what was the closest bank to the exam? UW, NRMP... etc ?? And if you gave step 1, which you felt is easier??
I`m at ur service
The NMBE form 2 is the closest to the real test.
UW is different in 2 points:1st the questions in UW have more obvious clues than in the real test...2nd:it is not common to get two reasonable answers for a single question in UW,while this is the case with ab 50% of the real test.
I havnt taken step-1 yet
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 07/11/08 - 03:31 AM
| #1688 |
yea I meant to say NBME! mixed it up with NRMP
I see you have same symptoms I have gone through! you dont remember anything, u think ur not gonna make it, also u feel UW was easier!
We are brothers!!!!!!!!
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| ramyazzam
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| | 07/11/08 - 03:46 PM
| #1689 |
Hey people,
Any one here done electives in the US?
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 07/11/08 - 04:19 PM
| #1690 |
not yet but im planning to do couple of electives next year... about ur question of doing electives while in emteyaz... u wont be eligible to do externships unless ur med school states that you havent graduated yet, otherwise you'll only be eligible for observerships... etc, the topic was discussed everywhere..
where u from sadeki?
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| ramyazzam
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| | 07/11/08 - 05:19 PM
| #1691 |
I do realize that after graduation one is only eligible for observerships or externships, but while we are considered graduates in "emtiaz", by all standards, or at least by US standards, we are considered 4th year students, cause most elective programs require that anyone applying for an elective must be a student who has completed all core clerkships, which are basically the clinical rotations we took through med school (rounds before emtiaz)
That leaves us, as I mentioned in the other thread, trapped due to the lack of understanding from our autocratic, bureaucratic, fascist, corrupt, mother fu**ing system. Excuse my language
Breathe, inhale and exhale... ahhhhh zen
Now, in here they refuse to acknowledge that we are students, there they refuse to acknowledge that we are graduates, it's quite frustrating. And and when I tell them could I meet the dean to explain it to him, he's always either busy in a meeting or something or away.
This means that in order to do an elective one has to go in the very narrow time period between finishing your last MBBCh exam and starting your internship (emtiaz)
So I was just wondering if anyone from Egypt, did electives and how they did it?
Arigato
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 07/11/08 - 05:55 PM
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ramyazzam wrote:
I do realize that after graduation one is only eligible for observerships or externships,
Those are two separate things, externships are where you have clinical contact with patients, observerships on the other hand let you only observe.
ramyazzam wrote:
but while we are considered graduates in "emtiaz", by all standards, or at least by US standards, we are considered 4th year students,
As an intern, you're not considered a 4th yr student even by US standards as you could have gotten your diploma without el emteyaz.
Most hospitals require that anyone applying for electives has to be in last year of medical school.. I dont think "completed of all core clerkships" was meant to say done with everything cause basically they want students for electives.
http://services.aamc.org/eec/students/index.cfm
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| ramyazzam
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| | 07/11/08 - 06:46 PM
| #1693 |
Negative...
You won't receive your diploma before completing your 12 months training i.e. emtiaz... When I asked for a graduation certificate from the graduates' affairs, they issued me a temporary one which stated that I had to complete a 12 months training program before the diploma is issued and hence the predicament... it implies that I am still a student
I even faced this problem when applying for the USMLE step 2 CK online...
Cause in the application they ask if your school requires a year of training before issuing the diploma
ECFMG wouldn't acknowledge that I am a graduate
In the US they have 4 years of college and 4 years of med school, so by their standards I'm not even a 4th year student I am a 3rd year student... semantics
I guess eligibility criteria vary when it comes to electives, Mount Sinai, the hospital I wanted to do an elective in, even has 1st and 2nd year student programs...
Anyways I would have never considered an elective, thinking that I am a graduate, but according to them I am still a student, so I thought why not use this to my advantage, especially that externships are getting harder to get and observerships are worthless...
I guess, either no one here did an elective or no one has read this yet...
And Faddy, I'm guessing you're a 5th year student (our standards ) Coz you say you're going to have an elective next year and your convinced it's in the last year which according to you isn't emtiaz, so you must be in 5 th year... eureka... I should have been a detective...
Anyways waiting for feedback people
Namaste
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| maoudoody
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| | 07/11/08 - 11:42 PM
| #1694 |
man i took my temprorary certificate last week and about to get the kartoon!!!1
u r a graduate after the 6th year
internship is a training year.....the first yr in residency in usa
in egypt as australia they make it a separate year be4 residency
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 07/12/08 - 01:25 AM
| #1695 |
Abo Ramy , the temporary certificate implies that you're a graduate but not authorized to practice medicine yet.. el kartoon is usually late because of magles el game3at not the yr of internship, you'll still get it tho without el emteyaz..
ramyazzam wrote:
In the US they have 4 years of college and 4 years of med school, so by their standards I'm not even a 4th year student I am a 3rd year student... semantics
dude this is not correct, the first 4 years are premedical studies that doesnt count into med school.. plus its your own school that says whether you've graduated or not and ECFMG will approve it.
And yes I'm a 5th yr student, im now doing the paperwork of application and will let you know whether I'll be approved as last year student or not
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| ramyazzam
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| | 07/12/08 - 06:06 AM
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I'm telling you guys when I mailed this temporary certificate to ECFMG, the counselor, or whoever gets the e-mails at info@ecfmg.org replied telling me you better re-apply as a student. I did tell him that it's just a matter of time till I get the diploma, while I'm still in training. He insisted that I should still apply as a student to avoid "suspicious behavior", and I didn't want that so I decided I'd apply when I'm through with internship we khalas.
Another piece of evidence that proves they consider those in emtiaz as students, is that there was this agency in Maryland called FMGaffordable... it provides externships for FMGs for a considerable amount of money, you can't say it's non profit, $ 4000 for 4 weeks isn't exactly affordable. Anyways, when I asked the sponsoring physician, an Indian Charu Mehta M.D, about clerkships or (electives), she told me that they offer that to last year students, preferably in the last 2 months of internships (that even applies to India apparently), so that the 2 months of electives, in co-ordination with your native university, would be transferred to the internship credit.
So what do you guys think I should do then, search for externships and observerships we khalas?
What about research positions? Does anyone know anything about that, they say it's a good route to an H1 visa... while most hospitals don't consider it USCE, it's a stable way to get pocket money and a visa, any thoughts?
I've heard alot of crazy ideas, like being a nurse or a physician assistant before getting into residency, as those jobs are in demand and that way you'd at least be exposed to the medical environment while being guaranteed a visa, especially for those who want a surgery residency
I've heard that most IMGs who get a surgical residency do not continue beyond PGY1, because of visa issues...
Anywho Faddy good luck with your application, thanks for you feedback mate...
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| ramyazzam
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| | 07/12/08 - 06:15 AM
| #1697 |
I need to know if those options are applicable to us, from an Egyptian point of view...
Also thanx maoudoody
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| dr_egyptian
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| | 07/12/08 - 06:28 AM
| #1698 |
i have a problem and i dont know how to resolve so i hope u can help me
well i applied at the ecfmg.org and i typedmy name as (ABDULRAHMAN KHAMISS ABDULRAHMAN RAGEH)
and i get the papers needed from my faculty (el shahada el kartoon + el mo2akata +el ta2derat) but in these papers my name is typed as (ABDUL-RAHMAN KHAMISS ABDUL-RAHMAN RAGEH)
i tried to make a new apply at ecfmg.org but failed
now i dont know what to do
i didnt translate el shahada el kartoon aw el mo2akata yet
so what should i do ??
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| maoudoody
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| | 07/12/08 - 09:40 AM
| #1699 |
ask the translator to do it as u typed in ecfmg
or ask the ecfmg to rechange ur name and tell them the reason
this will take some weeks
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| dr_egyptian
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| | 07/12/08 - 12:18 PM
| #1700 |
how the ecfmg could rechange my name and what should be the reason
it is just a dash from ABDULRAHMAN to ABDUL-RAHMAN which is the true one
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