NotFaddyAcids
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| | 06/26/08 - 06:46 PM
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dude im not a doc yet, I am notfaddyacids 
maybe your friend was talking about AMGs, doesnt really count for IMGs...
But anyway, have you ever looked at expenses of med schools in the states? they graduate from schools with debts over $200.000!! So if you have a green card, you could take loans to pay for tuitions... if you dont, forget that idea!! Stay cool in Egypt, ain-shams is FanFreakinTastic!!!
And extramural electives are rotations offered for visiting students (not enrolled in the school where the elective is done).
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| ledo111
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| | 06/26/08 - 08:44 PM
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im done
ok
guys as usual i seek ur advice
my way to the usa this summer was blocked
another one to london is abt to be blocked also..lol
if it would not be blocked
which is better??
having the summer there in london to improve my english have some experience that may help me to overcome the culture shock when i travel to the usa and may be some money.
OR have it here preparing 4 the steps
as u know the vaccation of the 4th year is the last one 4 EVAER.
by the way fady im not shamsawy ..lol ..i study in AL AZHAR FACULTY OF MEDICINE...
thnx everyone
waiting 4 ur advice
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| Mezo
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| | 06/27/08 - 12:55 AM
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Ledo,
I don't understand what do u wanna do exactly ??? u r mixing Australia with USA and UK ??? what is ur goal ?? what is ur final destiantion ??? can u afford paying for tuition fees abraod ??? do u have the visa ??? what are ur plans ???
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 06/27/08 - 02:53 AM
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Where have you been sadeeki?!! 
I'm taking off tomorrow after the exam is over, you'll all miss me as hell!!! But my soul will be watching you in your schools, hospitals, streets, even in bathrooms , EVERYWHERE!!!!!! keep up the hard work fellows!!
Stay away of troubles... Be nice to ladies, treat them like princesses!! even if they're not And remember what real men do... REAL MEN EAT PU...
Dont talk much while I'm not here.. I dont wanna miss many things!
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| ledo111
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| | 06/27/08 - 06:23 AM
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we will be here 4 u faddy
ok guys sorry 4 this mixing
i presented my plans in a messy way
look dudes
my main plan is to take step 1 exam after the 6th year, then to go through the rest of the way
but i need to be fluent not only in english but also in the slang this is a must
so
i thought i should be in the usa in this summer,but the american embassy in cairo........ god bless it
so i shift to london
then i think not only to be there in summer but to complete my study there .....a friend of mine studying engineering will do that.
but the tuition
actually dady has a car ,fiat 127 i may ask him to sell it to afford the tuition..lol
kidden
a friend of mine spends every summer in the usa he is a medical student also he told me i can afford the tuition by working 4 money.
on the other hand another told me the same 4 tuition in london
so
i hope i made it clear
thnx guys
waiting 4 ur help
tell me which is better to have the summer here or IN LONDON??????.
to be in london means no preparing at this summer
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| Mezo
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| | 06/27/08 - 07:18 AM
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@ Ledo,
man, all ur problem is to improve ur slang !!!!!!!! and u wanna pay all this money just for this purpose this is not the way at all
Look, all IMGs have the same problem as urs, u can overcome this by taking some conversation courses here in Amideast or in AUC .. the plan ticket alone will be over 7000 EGPs, dude use those for ur prep and courses ... u don't need all that .... and it is difficult to travel with tourist visa and then work illegal to finance ur tuition, or go into the dilemma of changing ur visa type while u there to be able to stay, work & study ... and in UK, the jobs are not that easy, in USA i agree, but uk is a hell ...
I've a better plan for u ... u can do like Faddy ( who is NotFaddyAcids by the way  ) .... where u do step1 now and during ur 6th yr, u can apply for elective training in USA and before u get back to Egypt u take CS their .. by this u get a Hand-on experience which is a big + in ur CV .. spend a couple of months their legally improving ur language and ur clinical skills and finish 6th yr with 2 steps and u r 1 step away from pursuing ur dream in USA ... u can do step2 in Emtiaz or little after it, then after u determine ur army status, u apply for residencies ..... How about that ???
Hope that helped u
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 06/27/08 - 07:55 AM
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mezo has summed up everything for you, but im exempted from the army sadeeky!! I wont join any wars
ledo111 wrote:
a friend of mine spends every summer in the usa he is a medical student also he told me i can afford the tuition by working 4 money.
on the other hand another told me the same 4 tuition in london
This is not true dude, you cant afford the expenses like that... besides as mezo noted, you cant work on a F-1 student visa!
England is even more expensive, its the most expensive country regarding higher education!!
France would be your only choice 500 euros a year for the most part.. I was actually accepted in Champagne Ardenne university in Reims after high school, but then I get back to my mind! All I wanted is to get out of here just like you.. but I guess now you're grown up enough
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| ledo111
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| | 06/27/08 - 12:48 PM
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guys i don't know how i can say thank u
i really owe u so much
thnx my dudes faddy and mezo.........i promise when u need me at a time u will find me at u...
this post only to say thnx
im on preparing a great list of Qs abt the new plan u sat 4 me
so
get prapared
OR
pretend as being offline...lol
i hate to bother u by my plenty Qs.......plez forgive me
kissessssssssssssssssssss
4 males only
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 06/27/08 - 01:23 PM
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I'm not coming here for a week or two, so mezo sadeky al 7akeeky will help you out!
good luck!
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| dr_elreifai85
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| | 06/27/08 - 01:24 PM
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Mezo wrote:@ Ledo, man, all ur problem is to improve ur slang !!!!!!!! and u wanna pay all this money just for this purpose this is not the way at all Look, all IMGs have the same problem as urs, u can overcome this by taking some conversation courses here in Amideast or in AUC .. the plan ticket alone will be over 7000 EGPs, dude use those for ur prep and courses ... u don't need all that .... and it is difficult to travel with tourist visa and then work illegal to finance ur tuition, or go into the dilemma of changing ur visa type while u there to be able to stay, work & study ... and in UK, the jobs are not that easy, in USA i agree, but uk is a hell ... I've a better plan for u ... u can do like Faddy ( who is NotFaddyAcids by the way ) .... where u do step1 now and during ur 6th yr, u can apply for elective training in USA and before u get back to Egypt u take CS their .. by this u get a Hand-on experience which is a big + in ur CV .. spend a couple of months their legally improving ur language and ur clinical skills and finish 6th yr with 2 steps and u r 1 step away from pursuing ur dream in USA ... u can do step2 in Emtiaz or little after it, then after u determine ur army status, u apply for residencies ..... How about that ??? Hope that helped u
comprehensive plan
and wh ab dumping elmtyaz ?
i wanna do that but is their any obstacles in having my final med diploma
and dean`s letter ( i know its not abig deal but just counting things will sabotage my journey)
and alot of things also like verificatoin of med status
P.S i hav army service not like faddy 
so wh u do u say ab that plan?
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| Mezo
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| | 06/27/08 - 01:38 PM
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@ elreifai,
U can dump emtiyaz and go out, however, what about ur status in USA, i mean u can do this in only one condition, if u hold a Green Card or citizinship, or else how do u gonna stay in USA till u become 30 ????
Ur diploma u won't received it easily, u need to pull some strings and call some people in ur faculty, or u can do all ur emtiaz or the latest part of it as elective, if ur faculty gives u a document stating that u r a last yr medical student while u r in Emtiaz, Ain Shams don't do that, Kasr Ainy & Mansoura do that ... don't know about others, u have to check urself .. but after that period, how do u gonna extend ur stay in USA ??? that's the q that u gotta solve ...
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| NotFaddyAcids
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| | 06/27/08 - 01:59 PM
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el rifai,
if you surf the thread you find the topic was heavily discussed i gave everybody a headache have no time though right now cuz my exam tom im sorry but in brief, you'll get ur final diploma without el emteyaz but the problem is about timing with match deadlines... and i beleive someone said once that u have to do el emteyaz so that u get j-1 visa, unlike h-1... anyway, try to read earliest pages...
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| dr_elreifai85
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| | 06/28/08 - 05:27 AM
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thanx mezo - faddy 4 u reply
regard staying in USA hav ab 9 relative their
so its not problem 2 get the citizenship and staying their
but the major one is our faculty routine (tanta)
thats wh im afraid from .
it made someone who i know 2 repeat 4-5-6th year and elmtyaz bec he break the visa after completing the elective
so this dilemma need 2 be recycled again
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| egyusmler
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| | 06/28/08 - 07:28 AM
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@ refa3y......
Dear..Finish ur emtiaz,Get ur diploma and then say to all that stupid system "bye bye"
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| doctor_mhl
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| | 06/28/08 - 08:05 AM
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dr_elreifai85
buddy, try to go by legal ways , dont put yourself in a dilemma. i heared that if you have close relatives living abroad or they have another citizinship you may be exempted form army (not 100% sure about that). but beileve me the traditional way is the best to go there
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| dr_elreifai85
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| | 06/28/08 - 08:28 AM
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thanx guys thanx 4 advice ithink ill make it on the traditional way
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| ledo111
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| | 06/28/08 - 09:34 AM
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hey guys
it is me again
the plan mezo sets 4 me gets me vertigo..lol
i like it so much..i even have started it...BUT have some Qs
plez answer them all
according to this plan i don't have any issue wz my college anymore i mean not to care abt my grade and to spend more time in the preparation(i know i need to study my stuff well to be able to go through the steps but im talking abt studying in the right way not the way that please our colleges here.
how long it takes to finish the praparation?
wat abt taking my exams in the 5th year ....can i do that?
once i saw faddy wrote that he thought that taking his exam after the 4th year was a false decision??!!!!!!
faddy told me that electives are only allowed for guys don't have rounds at their countries and we actually have OR assume we have...lol?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think that electives are so hard to be got!!!!!!!!!
can i travel to the usa in the 6th year to have the elective and stay 4 two months there after the electives ....can i pass the 6th year although staying in the usa 4 abt 3 months???
can i pass CS although i wouldnt have finished my study yet while im there???
my english is good as some natives told me but im afraid from taking exam costs 5000 egy while i miss one word in the english??
the last Q.......... wat will be the scenario if im a doomed guy and have to serve in the military forces 4 THREE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im afraid to lose the 7 years validity...
SO SORRY 4 this list
but guys u r really helpful
u shape my future
may Allah reward u all
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| icehell
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| | 06/28/08 - 10:46 AM
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Mezo plan perfect 4 u as u still young u have plenty of time.
Dont ever predict ...If life is predicta so god duznt exict!Everythn in ur god hands....
Take it easy step by step...Start from now...
Believe me you will enjoy usmle study....When u get into real usmle war....U will know many things without asking 100 q.
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| ledo111
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| | 06/28/08 - 11:54 AM
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thnx icehell
i beleive in Allah and know well HE won't fail me.....NEVER
but i should think well be4 any step
this wat Allah order us to do...think well,make a decision then go on counting on HIM.
thnx icehell
WITING 4 ur guys
SOS
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| Mezo
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| | 06/28/08 - 12:37 PM
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@ ledo ,
Are all these qs obligatory ????
Look Ledo, 1st of all don't put urself in the corner of her is bad, there is good, i wanna skip here and go there .... Nothing is guranteed .. nothing is taken for granted ... Make ur approach of usmle is that u wanna have the best education to provide the best health care for ur patients ... this will help u alot in ur prep. will let u get in depth understanding of the topics u read and approach the qs in a better way ....
2nd, no one said u don't have to care about ur grades,no, Look the difference between our education system and theirs is that we give a lot of science with no application at all, they give much less science but applying it all .. so, if u combined both, think what will happen, u'll have a lot of science with application .. u'll ace any other IMG ... Also, ur prep for usmle will be much easier, and think of this as a second plan, although Faddy my not agree with me, but i still see that u have to secure ur position in Egypt .... Grades helps a lot ...
3rd, prep for step1 needs from 6-9 months of 5-6 hrs/day in the begining with about 12 hrs at the final months, u may prepare in a much less time, if u actually remebr those topics well and won't need so much of time to memorize them, u can do it then in 3 months or so ...
4th, i don't know about ur 5th yr exams. ... Faddy may give u a better picture, he was the one who actually did it and it wasn't a mistake at all, he got 89 which is a decent score ... but i think u can, u still in the begining of 5th yr, u can pursue both ... step1 although is basic knowledge but the qs are actually clinical, they present a case which u have to diagnose in ur mind then they will ask about the pathology of the disease, the genetics, the physiology ... etc. So u'll get clinical knowledge as well .. which will help u in 5th yr for sure ...
Electives are much easier than observers and externships .. my borther tried a couple of yrs ago to apply for it and he got accepted in Yale university and got an answer too from Harvard ... it is not that difficult, but he didn't catch the deadline so he couldn't .... so, u'll need to be aware of their deadline of application and complete ur application documents, which will include passing TOEFL international test with the passing score that they determine for u, u'll need also a letter from the faculty stating that u r a final yr medical student, also they may ask for letters of recommendation from ur supervising doctors, start searching and exploring these things from now so when u get to 6th yr u'll be prepared in time ....
Then u've to get approval from ur faculty to transfer the rounds that u'll get as electives, so that when u come back with letters from there stating that u trained a month or 2 or 3 in the department of .... then Tanta will accredit and u'll pass these Rounds ... may be just ask u for examination or something, u should explore this too ...
P.S.
Put in mind that u'll pay for electives about 200-300/week + ur stay expenses + travel .. u should explore all of that too
Man I don't know y u r so afraid of ur english .... we are all the same, and we all do the same and don't tell me that after spending 3-4 month working in a hospital in USA, ur language won't improve ... Teb2a se3edy 3alatoooool ... after this excellent training u'll be very well prepared to pass CS, it will be a piece of cake for u ...
Regarding the army, if u focused on ur grades and actually got a residency in the universtiy, then ur army will be just 1yr .. this is for sure ... u can plan to do that .. and if u have any connections they do that easily .... leave it for its time ..
u r now in 5th yr, let's say u'll do step1 in 2009, then CS in 2010, ur 6th yr ends in 2011 and Emtiaz 212 then army if 3 yrs will be 2015 .. will be exactly 7 yrs ... u can actually do step2 during ur army service .. i've a friend who did both step1 & 2 in the army and got 99 in both ... he is so briliant, but unfortunately he suffered till he got the visa, got refusal twice b4 he get it then travelled to fail in CS and trying to do it again ... so u can do it in the army .. and actually u can do it in emtiaz and u can postpone ur 6th yr exams to do step2 or postpone couple of months of emtiaz to do step2 ... mutliple choices ... whatever u like
I hope that answered all ur qs ... lots of qs, reminded me of this yr physics exam
Edited by Mezo on 06/28/08 - 12:47 PM
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| ledo111
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| | 06/28/08 - 03:03 PM
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@ mezo,
i really don't know how to say thnx
look i will save the rest of Qs 4 some weeks later...lol
look im gonna do something new..i may be blamed 4 it...but having some fun is not a wrong thing.
i will break the routine
i will tell u a joke
a doctor has a problem in his bathroom so he called a plumber .....after the plumber fixed it ,he said 100 pounds ,doctor.
the doctor said :hey man,100.....i may get them after 2 days of hard working.
the plumber smiled and said:so i did when i was a doctor.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
take a break i will be back soon
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| icehell
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| | 06/28/08 - 03:19 PM
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Practical life completely diff. From uni. Life!
You should go emergency dep. In your uni. Hospital and start to observe ,learn,practice the real medicine .....
Make it like 3hrs everyday in emergency...I.C.U...
Discuss with senior dr what is real future ....What alternatives!...
I know dr passed usmle1 and ck then failed to take visa for cs then he tried french option and succeeded and he is in france takin his residency......!!!
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| ledo111
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| | 06/28/08 - 08:29 PM
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@icehell
sorry dudes i have made a decision to stop asking 4 a while
but i cant anymore
wat is the hell is that ..the guy failed to get his visa!!!!!!!!
HOW COME??!!!!!!
i was talking to a friend of mine in the usa she said that she feels sorry that egyptians cant get visas easily
i told her wz full feeling of pride ;when i passed the steps here in egypt even the american embassador cant stop me.
WAT IS THE HELL IS THAT?!!!!
WAT HAPPENED WZ THAT GUY
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| Mezo
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| | 06/29/08 - 12:05 AM
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@ Ledo ,
Don't mind urself with visa issues right now, everytime has its own circumstances and every case differ from the other ... SO, just focus on ur prep. for now and it is for sure if u done with them u'll have a decent chance to get the visa ... worry for that later ...
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| icehell
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| | 06/29/08 - 01:49 AM
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Again all u need is life experience!
Life is a game need some keys to deal with it.
Visa issue is also prob. 4 any1 in the world!!!
I have friend want travel to usa for fun and he did it very easly but he was clever to get what he want!!!
Look at story in dvd4arab.Com boy who stayed only 8days in australia !!And back again cause he duznt hav enough experience!!!
I know what you want...Some arabic discussions c syrian forums its cool!!! www.sitamol.net.
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