ra7man
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the exam of 2 ck is more stessful, the big problem is qs are long
i got 84/205 in 2 ck but this is not a matter of basic qs. it was bad preparation from me,no previous experience and no friend who can advice me.
i did not do UW or FA which for sure affect me largely.
there was some qs that ( what is that )
about elective i am sorry i has know information about that,but you can ask schoolwho offer that.
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| 7ooDa
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Not too bad Ra7man, I think you will be matched Insha Allah, Don't worry.
What did you mean by " there was some qs that ( what is that ) " ?
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| nany
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7ooDa wrote:
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What did you mean by " there was some qs that ( what is that ) " ?
I think he means there were some questions where he had no idea ever what it's talking about...... ....
I think we all will [mostly ] face this moment in our exams...
Edited by nany on 05/15/08 - 05:34 PM
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yeah I guess so,
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| mohamed8310
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hi everybody, i am in emtiaz- Tanta university. I was pleased to see an Egyptian community where we can meet together and share our experiences. I am studying for step1 and i hope to finish by the end of this year.
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| ra7man
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as nany said that is what i mean
da normal,do not worry
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| Mezo
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Thanks Ra7man for ur advices and sharing with us our experiences, qs for u won;t ever end so plz have patience and bare us .... Jazak ALLAH khayra ...
I have one more q for u ....
how did u do in Extended matching qs, those ones was so difficult for me in Step2 and i'm afraid from them on step1 as well, as no qs like that in any Q-bank i solved till now, not in Kaplan Q-bank nor in UW till now, so, i'm not prepared for those, so, how did u handled them ?? and can u give me an example of the topics that might carry a potential for this kind of qs ???
Thanks a lot ya basha, Rabena Yewafa2ak
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| 7ooDa
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Ra7man, do you think if you had step1 before 2 CK or at least read FA step 1 before 2 CK , then your 2 CK score might have been increased ?
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| zweil
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ya shabab...i am sorry but i have a question ...ra7man got those scores 99 in step 1...right.?...and he got 84/205 in step 2 ck...right..?!
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| zweil
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ya gama3a fe3lan...for those who are preparing for studying ..think about it careffully...because ...i think it might make a difference if doing a step before the pother...in other means...that u may have to study some material of a step before doing the other...for example...studying pathology before doing step 2 ck.....( BY THE WAY...THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE...from my find.)..!..
yalla...anyway wish you all the best of luck....
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sorry...i meant from my MIND..***
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| ra7man
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hi mezo
a good news for you i did not have these qs and i think they did not use it although they talk about it in q book.
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ah 3eeb el kalam da ya mezo
da wageb 3lya
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| ra7man
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bos ya 7ooda
1st i am satisfied with my step 2ck score
and i tell you it ia a matter of bad and poor preparation.
ba3deen i said to you both steps are overlaping with each other
and the n of qs that related to step 1 in ck is few and mezo or nany can ( i think they do ck) can give us a feedback, which not make this difference in my score
if you use FA now, you will not understand as you should read kaplan notes befor it.
that is my opinion honestly and if there is one who take step 2 after 1 he can tell us what he think.
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| nany
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mohamed8310 wrote:
hi everybody, i am in emtiaz- Tanta university. I was pleased to see an Egyptian community where we can meet together and share our experiences. I am studying for step1 and i hope to finish by the end of this year.
welcome here mohamed 
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| nany
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I'm preparing for step-2-ck now [before step-1], and I can't see this difficulty in preparation because of not taking step-1 1st, no problem at all...,
from practicing questions you can find some questions about the pathology of the disease and some enzymatic dificiency diseases, may be also some anatomy for the nerve injuries, but thats almost every thing, and all of this is covered in the notes or in the UW explainations,
so by conclusion, I don't think it's a big matter to take step-2 before step-1, AT ALL
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| dr_egyptian
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Lastly i could collect the money needed to apply for the 1st step
but i have no idea about how when and where i can aply for the exam
in my plans i wanna catch the exam at the next march
i hope i can fine someone who can tell me what papers i should have and follow me step by step to apply for the exam
i live in cairo and im already started the race for step 1
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| 7ooDa
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Thanks Ra7man for your help. I really appreciate it. You must be satisfied man, you're a 99er ( Masha Allah )
Nany, I am preparing for the 2 CK too, I dun feel that difference either. But, everybody who took step 1 before 2 CK keep saying that piece of info, so it drives me crazy.
But also, everybody who took 2 CK 1st said it doesn't make a difference.
So, I think everybody is convinced by what he did 1st. That's it.
Thanks Nany for sharing.
God help us all in this race and competition.
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| Mezo
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@ ra7man
Thanks a lot for ur nice feelings and kind heart .... it is good news for sure, but still it might be just ur exam. and ofcourse u were expecting them, so how did u prepared urself for those kind of qs ??
@ 7ooda
Look ya man, as ra7man said, both steps r overlapping, in step1 ur problem is to diagnose the case presented which u learn in CK, however, it is easy to overcome that by solving so many qs, and learn from them, not just solving and focusing on getting the correct answer, just learn to diagnose, u can reslove the Q-banks, like doing UW & Kaplan Q-bank twice or something if u found urself still facing difficulty in diagnosis and if still u can just listen to the Internal medicine Videos, will help u alot ...
While in Step2, u miss a lot of basic infos, like the Hemodynamics of the Heart, the electrolytes movements in Nephron, the genetic diseases and the defects in them, the immune deficiency disaeses, the NeuroAnatomy, not in depth but u've to know the CT very well and learn to diagnose from them which is provided in NeuroAnatomy, Pathology is not much, provided in Step2 notes, Pharma may be get weired qs from step1 ...
So, basically, No guarantees that u can Handle all these if u started with Step2, as u won't face these qs in Q-banks, u'll face them in the real exam. ....
For me, i got 6 qs direct step1 qs, like giving me a nephron and asking me about the sites of electolytes entering or leaving, a cardiac cyle graph and effects of Antiarrhythmic on them, if drug A is ... then what is Drug B ??? another one gave me the Ribosome and asked me where the translation begins ??? give a genetic disease and ask u what is the defect ??
Let me explain more by giving u an examle .... the immune deficiency diseases, something like Chronic granulomatous disease, it is mentioned in step2 notes, ok, but when u get to step1, u'll understand What actually NADPH oxidase do, how it kill bacteria and how its deficiency causes increased susceptibility of infec. by catalase +ve organisms, and which r these, a disease like that is very common to be asked on both steps and it is actually interconnected between Biochemistry ( the interacellular bacterial killing mechanism), the Immunlogy ( the disease deficiency ) and Microbiology (Catalse +ve organisms) ...
don't tell me that u'll study all three branches, u don't need that, and u won't be able to do that, u just need to know some interrelated topics like that, u can get that from qs, but u won't be Handling them perfectly, Hateb2a Melasamhom wenta we Rez2ak ...
But if ur Basic knowledge is originally good, i.e. u were doing gr8 back in Med. School, then u can do step2 and u'll have a good chance, if u don't, then best is to start with step1 the regular order, I know it is more easier for everyone to start with Step2, fresh infos in mind and more clinical rather than dumm stuff like step1, but it is not about what do u prefer, it is about ur goal, u wanna perform well, then i think this is the best, u've 2 experiences now, ra7man who got 84 on step2 although he says he made mistakes in his prep. , I didn't, i did UW and all NBME forms and got 79, listened to some videos twice and reviewed notes over 6 times, and still, i had so many problems with the basic knowledge, coz i wasn't doing good on those back in school, when i got to step1, i kept blaming myself, ooh these r the infos that i was looking for, damn it, keep cursing and shouting and .... u know 
Bottom line, better to start with step1, i have 2 friends who started with the NL order, the 1st got 97 in both steps, the 2nd got 91 in step1 as his problem was to diagnose the cases, he didn't handle that well but he got 99 in step2 ....
So, Decide what u want to do, Rabena Yehdeek Lel Sale7, w yenawarlak Taree2ak ISA ....
GL
Edited by Mezo on 05/16/08 - 12:37 AM
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| 7ooDa
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Thanks Mezo for the detailed reply, was really helpful. Though it wasn't what I wished ( I wished you would say Go for 2CK man or you will get screwed ), But I appreciate your sincere advice.
I am really considering starting with step 1 now though I have already done pediatrics.
But I am worried about something : I am going to do CS exam in February 2009 ( I was planning it after CK so that I use my CK clinical info in CS prep so that it takes shorter time in its prep. ), now if I start with step 1, would it take longer time for preparation as I am limited only by one or 2 months for the CS prep.
I will ask you another thing Mezo as you know it's a critical decision to shift from one step to another after starting studying. The question is " you said that you had only 6 question with basic knowledge info on th 2 CK exam, still you say it compromised your score badly, How come 6 questions affect the score that bad. I mean the difference of 245 and 261 on step 2 CK is none, they both mean 99 ?" I don't doubt what you said, but I think you forgot to mention something.
I will appreciate your advice on this Mezo ( And in fact Nany and Ra7man if they have time ).
Edited by 7ooDa on 05/16/08 - 06:03 AM
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| Mezo
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@ 7ooda,
don't worry about CS, it needs only 2 wks prep. and in fact taking ur Step1 Score with u to the embassy better than taking CK as u tell him that u r going for step2CS exam. so the next q to u will be did u do Step1? u'll show the score report immediately, but if u did CK the consular will be confused and will ask how many steps r there?? and will let the doubt sneak to his mind and ask himself what game r u playing ??? ....
In CS u just practice on communication skills, getting proper hx, how to do proper exm., how to write a patient notes, not that difficult and if u r worried about the diagnosis part, u'll be writing a DD not a definitive one + by the time u r done with ur Step1, u'll be able to make proper diagnosis, don't worry about that
regarding my test, of course 6 qs won't affect my score that much, but those was the direct ones that i had no clue for them and just choosed C in all + there were much others indirect testing of my basic knowledge, the Exam. is adaptive and infact i got these qs coz the system detected that my basic knowledge is bad, so it kept hitting me with these, those r the Driect that i remember , others were indirect, like for example the Q of CGD, although it is mentioned in pediatrics, and since u studied it u'll realize that already, but to get all the qs on this disease correctly u'll have to have a good basic knowledge of this disease ... like i explained earlier ..
Hope that clarified ur Doubts buddy
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| 7ooDa
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Sure it did Mezo. In fact, I can't thank you enough for the very helpful info.
I am considering it seriously to shift to step 1 ( my study partners will kill me, in fact you should hide too )
God will guide me to the right direction I hope.
Thanks again Mezo.
Edited by 7ooDa on 05/16/08 - 04:02 AM
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| ra7man
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thanks mezo
i really did not prctice them in step 1, as you said i did not find it in UW or any other q bank.
i think that the exam has some standardization, i think if i did not face these qs so they will not come to anyone
these qs was difficult to me also in 2 ck.
i want to help you bas i have no experience regarding this.
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| Mezo
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U r welcome 7ooda
Never mind Ra7man, u were more than helpful .. JAK
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mezo i look for q book now under q style in step 1
they did not metion extended matching qs
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