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hey guys im back! i haven't written here for a while but just quickly skimmed through all the posts, man theres a lotta of em i havent written since page 5-6, lol its already on 25, and new ppl like mezo have joined the thread. But i did read something about the Cartoon diploma, and it being the only 1 to be accepted what is all this about? I thought imtiaz wasn't required?  . I actually saw a diploma at our university 6th of october, one that didnt have imtiaz completed. It states something along the lines of..."(person) has been awarded the BHCS degree of medicine from 6 october univeristy on (date). He has graduated from faculty of medicine on (date). He has graduated with this many points and with a percentage of (whatever it is)." Then it has the picture of the graduate on top with all the signatures on the bottom and stamps. Then on the following page theres a mark break down of every subject he ever took in university from first year all the way til 6th year. Though not on the diploma it self on the mark break down, or probably final transcript, it says in small writing on the bottom, 1 year of internship is required before student is allowed to work. I think that the first page which is the diploma would be sufficent for ECFMG verification right? I asked sh2oon alkharigeen at our university and they said that the only thing that happens after imtiaz is that we give you the big diploma that you hang on your wall, the one that would be framed. They said that they would give me all the transcripts and the papers that i stated above. They only do this for non-egyptians at our university. As it is required by law in egypt that every egyptian doctor completes a 1 year internship before being allowed to work. Mezo is this the diploma your saying is required the one that they will give me first ie. NOT the big one to be hung on the wall. By the way i plan on taking step 1 in the july/aug/sept period do you guys think that if i apply by say end of april there will be enough time for my application ot be processed. Does anyone know the exact process, i read only roughly something about completing the IWA and printing the 186 form and having it signed by the dean in our faculty and mailing it back, does anyone have anymore details, thanks so much for your help  .
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| kono
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and applied in september too (but not on 1st of Sep....i figured out that any day after 1st of september is considered late in these days:nod
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| Mezo
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Hey srac84,
No the one they ask for is the one that they give u to hang on the wall ... nothing else they accept, and don't worry about that, when u apply there is an option where u can say i'm graduated/student, still not received my diploma, will send it to ECFMG once i got it .... ur exam application process is separate from ur credentials, i got examined step2 and my score report released and after that by about 3 months my Diploma got verificated ... so don't worry ...
About ur application, it should be enough as they advice to give them 1 month from receiving all ur papers b4 the month u want ur eligibility to start on, so u r 3 months ahead, so it is ok, from what i remeber they actually took about 10 days for processing but this was 3 years ago, my memory is not so clear ... what i'm sure of is that ur timetable should make u safe ...
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| srac84
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I'm not so sure about that mezo a lot of ppl are saying that the small 1 is just like the big 1 they put on the wall no big difference for our university..In fact shu2oon alkharigeen said we dont even need to come back if we take our papers after graduation to get the big 1 to hang on the wall he said you will use that for nothing only for hanging it on your wall...also they consider our first diploma a carton diploma..its colorful and has been printed on cardboard type material lol..i think it should be ok, when i asked ecfmg they said as long as it states that you have been awarded the Bchs degree in medicine, then it would be sufficient..so i think it should be good enough, so its like faddyacids said before, its not required to do internship, so thats awesome, especially because the big 1 may take a while to get printed out..
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| srac84
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I mean MB ChB diploma degree.. sorry 
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| srac84
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srac84 wrote:
I'm not so sure about that mezo a lot of ppl are saying that the small 1 is just like the big 1 they put on the wall no big difference for our university..In fact shu2oon alkharigeen said we dont even need to come back if we take our papers after graduation to get the big 1 to hang on the wall he said you will use that for nothing only for hanging it on your wall...also they consider our first diploma a carton diploma..its colorful and has been printed on cardboard type material lol..i think it should be ok, when i asked ecfmg they said as long as it states that you have been awarded the MB ChB diploma in medicine, then it would be sufficient..so i think it should be good enough, so its like faddyacids said before, its not required to do internship, so thats awesome, especially because the big 1 may take a while to get printed out..
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| FaddyAcids
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I was told that Ain-Shams university will run some plan that was put by the WHO for the next 3 years, and it won't be accredited if it fails to achieve the requirements. Did anybody hear about that?
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Dear Srac84,
I don't about ur faculty, may be there is a difference from other faculties, what i know is when i asked Amideast b4 i send my credential they told me to send ELCARTOON , the other form we have is called Shehada Mo2akata, it states that u r graduated and granted the MB ChB degree but at the end it states that it is Mo2akata and only work for 1 yr, some of our colleges send ElMo2akata and ECFMG kept refusing it, untill they sent ELCARTOON which they accepted .... and our CARTOON is the one that we hang on the wall and the one that is used to work in the gulf area .... i used it when i applied to ECFMG and they accepted it ... i hope u got the idea.
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| maoudoody
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yes i heard that
dead line is 2011
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| maoudoody
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well kono
i dont know what happened with u
3 ivs in im from 70 is very annoying and frustrating for me
may be ur email was not working......there is something weird in that
cause many others with less credentials have got more ivs than u have
any way it doesnot matter no of ivs
it matters whether u will match or not
hope u do it so that u can manage some usce for us in the hospital u work in!!!!!
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| maoudoody
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faddy there is a conference for that on 18 feb in the college if u have time u should attend because this is a serious issue
it means that we r wasting 7 years for nothing!!!!!!
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| nany
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maoudoody wrote: any way it doesnot matter no of ivs it matters whether u will match or not hope u do it so that u can manage some usce for us in the hospital u work in!!!!!
.....Very Good Idea 
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| FaddyAcids
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There's a group of egyptians on facebook called "USMLE outline" going to do a meeting to discuss the USMLE if anybodys interested..
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7ad Fahem kesat EL EMSWP = ECCFMG Medical School Web Portal .... I've just got the ECFMG reporter about it, checked it and couldn't have a clear idea about it???
The Medical schools now r supposed to verify the status of the USMLE applicants online & the ones that don't will continue using the paper verification, I tried to look for the list of the schools that are participating but i couldn't find any??
I don't get it, now everytime one wants to apply for a test, must be verified by his medical school online or byy paper??? b4 was certification of identification / 5 yrs ... now back again to / exam. ??? why??? I don't get it ... anyone has any clearer idea???
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Aih ElSamt ElRaheeb Dah, Tab Illy Ma Ye3rafsh ye2oool 3ads .... Ay 7aga, Mesh ma32ool keda ...
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3ads
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el 7ayah maba2ash lonha bambi anymore ya man
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Aah Lonha ba2a Meshagar 3ala Abyad ya man ... wasalet
Wallahy knot mota2ked inak hat2ool 3ads ...
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momken tegarab kaza lone we lone wa7ed yesbat fe demaghak el bambi ra7 ya sadeki kollo ra7
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el donya rabee3
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Hey Faddy,
Wade7 gedan in Hurgada 3'ayaretak keteeeeeeeeeeer, Danta Makontesh betbatal ra3'y ya ragel, a illy garalak... weheya lesh eldonia rabee3 bardo ??? dana 7ases inny ba2eet 3ayesh fe cyberia 
Anyway, i remember that u talked b4 about Australian Board, i'd like to know more about it ... as many now is starting to consider it ... all i know is that they r 2 tests 1 MCQ 6 hrs on 2 sessitions each 150 qs CBT and the content is like step2 , the other is clinical 1 is for 2000$ and the other 2500$ .... but what i don't understand what is ... what s the difference between the General registration and the specialist registration???
Also, don't know yet if the MCQ test is done here in Egypt, or u've to travel ???
And after all that, what is the chances of IMGS in specialties there ?? what is the salaries?? what is the living conditions?? visa issues?? all that stuff ... do u've any idea, or anyone here else have any idea could u please advice???
Thanks a lot for ur help
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| Mezo
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Summary of AMC Exam process from there website ...
Go to Eligibility for information on eligibility requirements.
On request, the AMC sends preliminary information and a preliminary application form for assessment for general registration and/or assessment for specialist recognition [click here for the forms].
Complete and return the preliminary form with payment.
The AMC then provides information books and detailed application forms.
Lodge the completed forms and payment together with CERTIFIED copies of relevant documentation and 4 recent colour photographs.
The AMC may take 4 to 6 weeks to complete the general assessment. If the AMC decides that you meet the eligibility requirements, then:
GENERAL REGISTRATION
The AMC will send you an application for the MCQ examination (Form C-1).
Return the completed application form with the fee to the AMC before the closing date.
Sit the MCQ examination. Click here for exam dates. The AMC publishes results at http://www.amc.org.au/results.asp. It also writes to each candidate concerning their result.
When notified of your success in the MCQ examination, lodge Form C-2 for the clinical examination before the closing date of selected series. About 2 weeks after the closing date, the AMC will advise you if you have been placed in the clinical examination series.
Complete the clinical examination. Click here for exam dates. The AMC publishes results at http://www.amc.org.au/results.asp. It also writes to each candidate concerning their result.
When notified of your success in the clinical examination and when all your documentation is correct, the AMC then forwards the certificate to the Medical Board in your State of residence for you to collect.
Apply to State/Territory Medical Boards for registration.
SPECIALIST REGISTRATION
The AMC will forward your application for specialist assessment to the relevant Specialist College.
The College advises the AMC of the outcome of your application.
The AMC will advise you of any College requirements for specialist recognition.
When you have completed all the requirements the AMC advises the Medical Boards that you are eligible for registration.
Apply to State/Territory Medical Boards for registration.
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| FaddyAcids
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I'm not changed ya man im just having some psychological problems
sorry ya sadeki but im not very familiar with the AMC.. I hear some stuff about it, not sure of anything though.. but u got half the way done so fokak mel AMC, unless you get an exemption of one exam as far as I know if you've taken step 2 of the USMLE or both of step 1 and 2.. best thing is to read their official website:
http://www.amc.org.au
I think general registration lel GPs (general practitioners) wel spec. reg. which is tougher lel specialties.. awel emte7an fe masr wel tany fe australia, bas mesh mota2aked ya man..
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