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You're friend was very unlucky then I guess, perhaps his efforts to impress were not enough or his medical knowledge was not top notch. There are techniques to capture the attention of an attending; american, egyptian or whatever other nationality at the end of the day they are doctors and so are you. You must prove yourself to them because if you don't you'll only be another third world doctor. However you're friend is lucky because he's doing an externship right now, he must be relieved unless he's still being treated like an object; it's all about the attitude.
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1st of all my friend that u r talking about got 97/97/pass/80 , he is very clever guy and his attitude is fine .... u didn't understand what i meant, when i said they treated him like an object i meant no one ever addresses him, no one let him c anything, no one interested in teaching him anything bec. he is an observer, it is like u r watching TV, watching ER or Grey's Anatomy, that's it, yeh u can communicate and u can ask but not all the time u'll get what u asking for, coz u don't constitute anything for them, in comparison with an elcetive , clerck or extern they have a duty to teach u, u paid for that, they r very straight forward people, understand what is ur title actually saying and u'll expect what is gonna be like .. hope that gived u better image
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el soora moshawasha  searching for signal
Mildanemia has been an observer hiself
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And no, plain and simple no we can not fiddle around with documents. Student affairs will not issue such a document and neither will the graduates office. You can always try a wasta but then you'll be jeopardizing your future because today you say I'm in 6th year and tomorow you apply for ECFMG certification and once the real dates are out in the open you'll be in for a heck of a surprise 
I would like to see the look on the "Doctor's" face if someone mentions that they do it in Mansoura; priceless. The few words after that will probably be something like "That's what makes them Mansoura".
No offense Mezo.
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How is possible to say No offense  ???? of course non-taken from u but taken from ur Drs.
Mansoura that ur Drs. might talk about is named The City of Medicine in Egypt, this city has a Urology & Nephrology center that is ranked 1st in middle east aand 7th all over the world, this center has 4 Dr. that r refrees in the biggest urology magazine in the world they actually choose what papers to be published in this magazine , the youngest refree of them is just 35 y/o , they had operations in the books by their names ,
This city got to Egypt Om Kalthoom, Anees Mansour, Osam & Farook El Baz .... and if u think of it differently u'll actually say that what makes u Ain Sahms ...
People in Mansoura r different, they r open minded and always like to be better and so help each other and help their city, do u know that most of the projects in Mansoura r made by elgohood elzateya  ???!!!! , all these medical centers r also by elgohood elzateya, .... they just wanna their students to be the best and so help them in every way paossible to get a chance like that .... and it won't make any problem at all regarding the dates ... because, when apply for elective u apply directly to a hospital , ECFMG not involved and u won't apply for a residency to the same hospital till a year after at least .... also when u apply to ECFMG u say that ur gradautaion date as on ur Degree which is the date of 6th yr exam., but when u apply to ERAS for match u type the date of emtiaz end, to be a fresh graduate and this is not lying and many did that.... ECFMG work with papers so ur application must match ur papers but when u apply to ERAS and go to an interview they will ask u that ur diploma date is ... but ur graduation date is ... how come??? u'll say that i don't receive my diploma untill i finish my intern ( emtiaz ) yr which is my actual graduation date and show them shahadet elemtiaz .... all my friends did that, and everything went smoothly and no surprises at all ....
That's y we never gonna get advanced, bec. we keep in mocking each other , keep on talking and never do anything to change the reality that we r living in, i just wanted to help & give an advice, & Ajry 3ala ALLAH, i do that 3amalan by 7adeeth ELRasaool -PBUH - ALdeen Alnasee7a , Sadak Rasool ALLAH - PBUH-
U won't loose anything if u just tried, and let me see how is attitude works here, choose the way to present ur case and the people to present to them and the people who most probably gonna help u, u r not lying, u r not granted ur diploma untill u finish ur emtiaz and trainig is a part of learning and so u r not lying at all if u said u r a last yr medical student, if u believed in that u gonna handle ur case perfectly, just try.
All my purpose here guys is to make it more easy for u, i didn't know about all that when i was in ur position and when i knew about it , i failed to do in time for my brother, so i just wanna make u awasre of everything so that ur process go much more easier, every yr passes the match gets harder and harder and u've to be more prepared... That's it.
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FaddyAcids wrote:el soora moshawasha searching for signal Mildanemia has been an observer hiself
I didn't meant to make a dark image, i just wanted to let u know what do u gonna expect, like i said u r just an observer, no involvement, to touch a patient u've to have malpractice insurance, so u r actually forbidden to touch any patients till u do that, and if u did that the name changed from observer to exten, clerk or elctive student, ofcourse it has another benefits, like understanding how the american system is working, see the new advances, understands what they gonna expect from u as a resident...all these r benefit for urself, not for ur match process.
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nany wrote:
wallahy ya baƍtak....ana ba2aly 3 shohor dayƍa 3lshan aƍod agaza bedon morattab we aƍeran fee amal bass lessa shewayya...., asl ana be3eed 3annak taklyfy fe elbe7era
My brother too is in elbe7eera, and he is worried like u how he is gonna make it too??? in which unit or hospital is ur takleef??? and what is the obstacles actually that's consuming all that time ???
I'm relieved to hear that u have no problem getting ElCartoon, Rabenna yewafa2ek.
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Mezo,
First of all I'd like to congratulate your friend for his stellar effort that got him those very good scores and obviously you think you should be congratulated as well for your efforts on the forum and of course for being his friend so congratulations Mezo, you've earned it! I'd also like to point out that attitude has nothing to do with numbers on a paper, you could be a freakin genius and lack appropriate communication skills that allow you to interact with fellow co-workers.
The whole policy of "asking" for the information is not preferable, there is a high probability of getting flamed for asking. The appropriate approach is to research the answer yourself, when you ask about something in a clinical situation for example the regimines of treatment for bladder cancer that only shows your attending that you are not up to date with the latest regimines and that you do not know enough. If you want to be spoon fed the USA is not the place to be, Egypt has a better spoon feeding system that most of us enjoy. Do not expect anyone to take you by the hands and teach you, the fast paced world we live in nowadays has no room for cry babies that whine and complain while waiting to be spoon fed.
About the "No offense" comment, if I wanted to offend you I wouldn't have included it however since you're already offended I guess I'll just reply to whatever complex or grudge you have against the Non-Mansourians. Is the Urology and Nephrology center part of the University? I'd really like to know the answer to that question. How many Drs work at that center? So there are 4 Amazing Drs there, thats nice but what about the rest, who are they and what are there credentials? I wasn't aware that Om Kalthoum, Anees Mansour or the Baz' went to Med School since we were talking about the faculty of Medicine. You seem to have lost track of what were talking about. "El gohood el Zateya" is something you should be proud of however I'm struggling to find the link between that and what we are currently discussing. I don't think people in Mansoura are different, corrupt people are all over the country; everyone can forge official documents. Everyone has a conscience, some people just don't care about it and others do. Perhaps you could elaborate about the term "open minded", for starters it doesn't include forging an official document to help you get ahead in life; they call that cheating.
Now the real reason why we most probably won't advance as a whole is because of our double standards. "Ajry 3ala ALLAH, i do that 3amalan by 7adeeth ELRasaool -PBUH - ALdeen Alnasee7a , Sadak Rasool ALLAH - PBUH- " well I guess I should reply using a Hadeeth too; "Mann ghashana fa leis menna". Why don't you think about that for a bit ? And while you're at it stop being a hypocrite.
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Mild anemia,
Plz read my post again, i've just edited it, b4 i read ur reply, i didn't read ur 1st post carefuly, the offense is not taken from u but from ur Drs. and ur university attitude....
Yes, urology center is part of the university and all other centers Ophthalmology, GIT surgery, Oncology, Peditaric, Emergency Hospital, & currently under construction Ob/Gyn , Neurosurgey & Ortho centers, all r part of the university and we took rounds in them all and emtiaz too....not like Ain Shams ta7'asosy i think ???/
i don't know the nos of the Drs. their but they r a lot, it is a very big center and only take residents from the top 3 of each class & not from the professors sons, unless he/she was a really outstanding by himself, they actually beyta7aro 3an each resident ....
All Drs. there r brilliant, those r just the ones that r refrees, u can't make all of them refrees in a mgazine, others r gr8 too each in his field, this center has invented a couple of operations and new ways of treatment regimens that r in the book by their names, i'm not aware of all of them exactly, but u can ask any urology resident at ur university and he will sure know and tell u about...
when i mentioned those names & mentioned elgohood elzateya i just wanted to make a point that the people in mansoura r different, beleive me, ( if u wanna a name that is from Medical field here it is Dr. Mohamed Ghonaim , he has an operation by his name with Dr. Kokher, if u r familiar with him in instruments, the operation was to replace the UB with a part of the intestine in UB cancer patients )
I know that Fasad is in every where but in mansoura there is something opposing, they allow a chance there to be better & this don't involve Falsification as i mentioned in my edited post, u r not lying when u say that emtyaz Dr. is a last yr medical student bec. training is a part of learning process, and u learn & do in emtiaz all what u read, studied and examined about, and if u read my post to icehell about the army u'll understand that even the army considered b4 that emtiaz Dr. is a student then changed that to a graduate, it is wrong he is a student, if u believed in that u can fight for it, that's all and let me say INNA Ba3d ALZAN ITHM , here in Egypt u sometimes use wasta to do something right, that was my aim.
About the spoon fed system, what i wanna say that,and that's only my point of view, may be when i go there it becomes changed,..... Inta zalem sa7by gedan, and 1 more thing i believe that every1 that manages aslan to go through all this and catch an observer must have a very good communication skills, and so he has no problem of communicating with the Drs. there in us, what i'm keep repeating is, Drs. has no obligation to teach u if u r an observer, if u did the effort u won't get what = that effort, but when ur an extern ur effort will be well paid off, so i agree with u that it is not a spoonfed system and u've to make an effort in all situation to get what u r aiming at .... forgive my word b4 of saying it is not worth it, it might have been too harsh, but i meant not worth it for the match process, but it still has benefits for u, to introduce urself to the american system for ex., to know what they expect from everone in the stuff, to work on ur accent, learn some slang, make realtions with the Drs. there, all these r benefits for urself, but i was talking from the point of benefiting ur match proces, ofcourse it is better than nothing, but it is not count as USCE and that what they r searching for, and ur LOR would be personal as no one saw ur clinical skills, all my goal was to encourage every student here to never waste the opportunity to get an elective as a sstudent.
I'm sad from how our conversation went down this path of confronting each other like this instead of helping each other, Shetan i guess, well , plz mildanemia, if there is still any offense in ur heart from me, or my words or anything that might disturb the relation between us, plz forgive it for me and if still can't plz send me ur cell phone no. in a private message over here and i'll call u myslef to get it off ur chest, extraction operation over the phone ya3ny to c how clever Mansoura Dr.s r
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Meso I'm actually having hard time understanding your posts. You're saying many things that are opposite to each other and have nothing to do with the discussion! Just make your points clear. The last paragrah was great though
I can see that I'm the only one in here that this forum was not assigned to . I should notice the "G" in IMGs
Also I have to say to Mildanemia that I was really impressed.
Anyway...PEACE brothers!
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Mezo,
I don't think you should actually hold a grudge or feel offended from my Faculty, my literal words were "probably be something like". I might be mistaken but then again try to imagine going to your Dean and saying "Hey, I think you should issue a forged paper to Interns. They do it at Ain Shams University" his reply will probably be the same. It's a University not a day care center. Can you imagine asking Hosny Mubarak to give each Egyptian citizen money because they do that in UAE ? That doesn't sound right, perhaps other Egyptians can lend us their opinions...
An Emteyaz gets paid for the work he does, he can get the Final Medical Certificate without completing his internship which means Emteyaz is NOT the final year of med school. You are trying to twist the facts and trying to rationalize the forgery however your motives are good. None the less it is still considered falsification of facts. It is up to you to do what you please however please do not try to convince others that it is ok.
I've never really met your friend so "mesh zalmo". All I'm doing is trying to explain the possible reasons why he did not enjoy his experience as an observer. Believe it or not you can be an observer and have trouble communicating with peers, I've seen them myself. It is true that as an observer your attending is not obliged to teach you however by proving your worthiness he/she will want to help you as much as he can. How do I know this ? Been there, done that.
I try and treat people the same way, I just can't tolerate assumptions or claims without proper rationale. If you haven't tried it before then you don't have concrete evidence and if you don't have evidence then you are in no place to judge. All you can do is listen to what your friends or contacts have to say and try to learn from their experience however do not take their words as a given, always seek the answer on your own. I agree that getting an elective as a student is better than getting an observership as a graduate however I don't support forgery, I had the opportunity to do it as a 6th yr medical student and I declined. I had to send evidence that I had finished my Core Clerkships however I refused because I hadn't, I dont regret it one bit "Haroo7 men Rabenna fein ?".
I don't have any personal issues with you, I just don't agree with some of the stuff you wrote. Through our confrontation we were able to clarify a few points that will benefit other Egyptian/Non Egyptian users that frequent this thread, the confrontation was not in vain
It would be childish to hold a grudge against a name on a screen
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Sup Faddy, how's the X-ray book ? Pretty neat huh ? Is the round over yet ? When's your exam and who's group are you in ?
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I haven't finished you last post
yeah the book is really great!! The round is over and the exam is on Tuesday, I was in the hematology Dept. of galeela mokhtar, it sucks!
Did you finish el emteyaz yet? Are you taking it in Ain-shams?
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Yeah, I used to be in Galeela's round during my Peds round and my Emteyaz rotation. 1 more month to go... How's your attendance ?
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I've attended every single session! They are sometimes useless cuz its always crowded around the patient, so I'm usually an observer in my home medical school!
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mildanemia,
1st the problem is that u still insisting that it is frogery ... well, do u think any govenmental institution could every agree on issuing a froged document ??? well , Mansoura did , so i think it means it is not a frogery, any manager won't ever sign or stamp a document he/she has a slight doubt about it being frogery, don't u think???
2nd i'm not rationalizing frogery to myself, u r the one who is most probably rationalizing to urself y did u refused this opportunity ( here we go Dr. phil-ing each other ) , in ur situation it is clear that they required something u actually didn't do, u didn't finished ur clerckships, although i think this is only from this hospital and if u 'd have inquired more about it or about alternatives u might have seized the chance, but i might be wrong?? what i mean is, we have in egypt a totally different system than they have in usa, and so u've to be more flexible in matching the 2 systems, u r Betataky ALLAH , and this is a very gr8 thing to do, but in the same time, ALLAH didn't say to u to stand still against obstacles , u should find a legal, 7alal way to overcome it, so don't take it like that and say that considering emtiaz the last yr of med school is frogery, coz if u did a comparison of the 2 systems, u'll find that they actually don't have this yr simply bec. the rotation they do during the clinical yrs r actually like emtiaz in our system, so this proves that it is a part of the Medical learning, and saying it is the last yr of medical school is not wrong, ya ragel da 7aflet elta7'arog fe a7'er elemtiaz mesh a7'er sana 6, 3awez aktar men keda a??? u have to be more flexible than that, don't u think ???
By ur reason, then if u studied from kaplan notes and used their videos, & u know that u bought these by ur will and u know it is stolen, this would be 7aram shar3an, and by this u r encouraging the thief instead punishing him and some may go further than that ... but i asked in that issue and Elsheyo7' told me this is ok, and all these worries r nothing, because of the current situation of our countries and that science should be made more available than that, so we carry no Ithm in doing that, i'm not sure of the exact explanation i don't remeber much since it is from too long but i'm sure that this is not 7aram, la7san te2oolly 7aga 3anoh kaman ....
3rd another thing , what i know is that they don't issue the diploma untill u do ur emtiaz, mine actually is issued in sept. and i recieved it in Feb. at the end of my emtiaz, and they can hold it and u can never receive it until u finish ur emtiaz, that's the rule i know in my faculty at least, but i think it should be applying to all faculties ....
4th getting paid in emtiaz, this is named Mokaf2a, not a salary, and this is a very important difference coz if it is a slary then it is a job, & i don't know any place in the world that pay u just to get trained and to learn while if it is a Mokaf2a then u can't use it as a reason not to consider it not from medical school.
5th u were the one talking about ur communication with the Drs. then Ast7lefak BeLLAH, can anyone be that silly and go to his dean and say what u have said and ask him to issue kaman a frogery ????
ana awel kalamy kan inak at 1st to be convinced that it is not a frogery, then to go for an open minded Dr. meaning a one who can understand the difference between the 2 systems and willing to help u, and u won't ever start ur case with saying mansoura did, but somewhere in the converstaion u can say that to ur helping Dr. not ur Dean "mansoura is doing that with her Drs. if u think that am twisting facts or lying and u can ask any fellow Dr. from there" they know each other, and u r using it just to prove that u r not doing frogery and u can loose it , i'm saying just make it the last of ur tools, and if u think more u can use it more clever than that, i'm just giving a thought mesh ha2olak testa3melha ezay hanerga3 lel Spoonfed system ba2a ....
I agree with u about the observer experience and that i'm in no place to judge, u might have had a better experience than my friend and may be my friend expected something and he didn't find it so gave me this impression, but it is good that u agreed with me that elective is better than observership.
Gameel Gedan inak don't carry a grudge from me and i'm not too, ala7md LELLAH kolena Matayeeeeeer ( Matures ya3ny in Arabic ) and i don't carry a grudge from ur faculty , they didn't do any harm to me, but i'd if anyone said kinda word u mentioned about mansoura
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i want to point to something to put in your minds guys which is:
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if you look at US syrians dr they made society to help new syrain dr who passed both steps and they also collect money to help them also in matching and recommendation letters!
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Mezo,
It's "FORGERY" and not "FROGERY", mafeesh dafade3 hena . To prove that it is indeed forgery I have my Final Medical Diploma on my desk in my room, if I were a 6th year medical student could I have that document ? NO.
IMTEYAZ : INTERNSHIP
INTERNSHIP : FIRST YEAR OF RESIDENCY (They do have the emteyaz, but they call it something else in English)
FIRST YEAR OF RESIDENCY : NOT A FINAL YEAR MEDICAL STUDENT : RESIDENT
http://people.howstuffworks.com/becoming-a-doctor...
How about you start a poll and see what people think ? Forgery or not ?
Since you mentioned it buying the books or getting them from a friend is probably haram too, because a group of people came together and worked hard to make them.
There are 2 Diplomas, an Emteyaz diploma that you recieve after you finish a year of training and a Final Medical Diploma which is issued a few months after you get your results and they certify it. Your final medical diploma is irrelevant to the status of your Emteyaz. The only reason you should do el emteyaz is if you want to work in Egypt. ECFMG don't care about your Emteyaz Diploma.
At Ain Shams it's called a Salary, sometimes there is a Mokaf2a which is extra.
If issuing such a document is 100% legal then I don't have to find an open minded doctor, any doctor will suffice.
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hey docs..., I can notice some fighting going on here...............
well, I think mezo that you should remember your 1st words in this post ....:
[ Ya Ged3an Into sha3'leen nafsoko be7agat keteer awy, just focus, go step by step,then worry about visas, USCE, US LOR, Fellowships ,Waiver.......]
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mildanemia wrote:
How about you start a poll and see what people think ? Forgery or not ?
I wish it wasn't, so I could spend the year of emteyaz in the US doing electives.
So Mezo, if you consider el emteyaz the last year of medical school just because its part of the learning process, you should also add the residency years where you're still learning. And there would be no difference between students and residents. The time from being an intern to a chief resident has both of learning and working.
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Thanx for the spelling correction, a new word added to my dictionary
This topic has consumed a lot of my time, CAN also started and if i continued like this sure i'll be screwd , so this is my last post regarding it , in my 1st post i did said what nany qouted from me above, and i should stick to that, i just wanted to open a chance and encourage students over here to seize this precious opportunity, but i think they got the idea and enough is enough.
Both of u mildanemia & Faddy got it wrong, if u logged on answers.com and wrote intern and looked for definition u'll get that ....
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- A student or a recent graduate undergoing supervised practical training. ---> i.e. not limited to medical field only and not exclusive for graduates.
- A physician who has recently graduated from medical school and is learning medical practice in a hospital under supervision, prior to beginning a residency program. ---> this definition is just what it is commonly used for in USA
One who is interned; an internee.
So, internship actually means training, not related to ur position even anyone in any other type of career under training is called an intern, if u watched "the pursuite of happyness " will smith spend 6 month as intern in a company & unpaid ...
Ofcourse, u'll say here he is again using unrelated example, it is not, i just want u look on the subject from outside not from inside, i.e. look at the big picture ... BTY, the spelling of Happyness is the actual spelling of the movie name , Enta aslak mabetfawetsh mildanemia, wa2ef 3ala elhafwa
Back to our subject This proves ...
That u can't get paid for training and so it is Mokaf2a , ask urself who is calling it salary? probably ur fellows, but its legal name is Mokaf2a
It is not exclusive to starting residency, and here in Egypt, at least the 1st 6 months of any residency in anywhere University or Se7a , u r attached to a senior resident as u can't carry out the work alone, as u still under training i.e. an intern
Internship in US means 1st yr of residency, meaning in just 1 speciality with exception of some specialities that needs u to get training in other fields, like psychiatry where u spend 1st 6 mo in internal medicine department i.e. u r a surgical intern, an internal medicine intern and so on, not in all general specialities + 1 or 2 subspecialties like emtiaz ... & their rotation during medical school is called electives and they do the same work as we do in emtiaz, have shifts and everything and in every daman department , so they don't need to do emtiaz by the end..
Also, how could u ever consider in Egypt that emtiaz is a part of ur residency while u might satrt ur residency 1 -2 yrs later ??? and if u got a surgical one for ex. , how could u consider emtiaz a training for that ?????
The requirement of finishing emtiaz b4 getting a liscence to work in Egypt actually , proves that ur learning didn't finish yet, and the Diploma u got say that u finished ur academic part only and still needs training bec. medical field is a practicial field not like accounting for ex. u need training to learn to apply ur academic knowledge, so it is part of ur medical learning process, we just differ from them in the timing of it.
And sure ECFMG don't know about emtiaz and they don't care as they only need to be sure that u had ur acadamic base just to be eligible to do the test, they don't even believe in ur Diploma that's y there is USMLE and there is CS part and the programs prefer USCE, u can't use that as a poof ....
Again, Both systems r totally different and to match both u've to think deeply & ask urself what is the purpose of each step i do?? y they there do that and we here do that?? what is equivelant for what they do??? and u'll reach to all the answers u want.
[font color="#0000ff"]mildanemia, u exhausted me so much, i can't continue anymore, if u still not convinced , it is up to u, but plz don't shut the door in the face of everyone else, i think each one of us has made his point clear, let everyone judge by him/herself and try his/her own luck , & my advice to u, loose it a little, keep ur principles but don't be that tough on urself, the system in Egypt has so much contradictories, and from our discussion it seems that every institution explain the laws as their understanding bec. it is not clear laws, and laws r made piece by piece i.e. there is a challenge they invent a law to overcome untill another challenge contradict so they modify the 1st law and so on, so the laws r not made after deep studying of the issue and thinking of every damn possibility, so they r not fair all the time, i'm not saying that to encourage u to break the law, but to encourage u to think it deeply, what is the purpose for making that, and how can i use it correctly to my sake ..... and for ur last qs, not everyone convinced it is correct or legal coz no one give it a thought aslan, as it makes no difference with anyone, we r the ones that needs to give it a thought, the ones going for the Boards.[/font]
[font color="#0000ff"]For u Faddy, my advice, if u r convinced that emtiaz should be considered as last yr medical student , then during ur 6th yr, get a couple of letters stating that u r a last yr medical student and when u go there, use them to apply for the hospitals for long periods, like each hospital for 4 mo or something, may be in every speciality u gonna work in emtiaz and take from each hospital a certificate stating that u spent that period in it and when u come back to Egypt, if u ever did, introduce these certificates to ur university hospital and they should accredit it and u'll be done with ur emtiaz in usa... GL[/font]
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nany wrote:
hey docs..., I can notice some fighting going on here...............
well, I think mezo that you should remember your 1st words in this post ....:
[ Ya Ged3an Into sha3'leen nafsoko be7agat keteer awy, just focus, go step by step,then worry about visas, USCE, US LOR, Fellowships ,Waiver.......]
Thanx for reminding me, i was just trying to help Faddy to seize the chance and we drift in this conversation, every time i found myself incapable of being silent, but thanx for watching my back
BTY, y didn't u answered my inquiry about ur vacation and takleef ??? what is taking u all that time ???
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Mezo wrote:nany wrote:
hey docs..., I can notice some fighting going on here...............
well, I think mezo that you should remember your 1st words in this post ....:
[ Ya Ged3an Into sha3'leen nafsoko be7agat keteer awy, just focus, go step by step,then worry about visas, USCE, US LOR, Fellowships ,Waiver.......]
Thanx for reminding me, i was just trying to help Faddy to seize the chance and we drift in this conversation, every time i found myself incapable of being silent, but thanx for watching my back BTY, y didn't u answered my inquiry about ur vacation and takleef ??? what is taking u all that time ???
well Mezo,......you seems to be some what tough with your words and conversation attitude..... take it easy
what took me that time is that there is no place among this war going on here to talk about something else.......
and any way I lost your inquiry among all those posts....sorry...... SO, IF YOU WANT you can remind me.....
Edited by nany on 01/21/08 - 09:21 AM
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LOL Nany's turn..
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