karusmle
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is it a good idea to volunteer research for 2 years in a univ program???they want a commited and dedicated and to sign a contract for 2 years in a clinical research spot , the Professor seems to be a big shot and renowned person , though i had told them visa is a issue ,like i m on a visitors visa , how can i ask for visa?is it possible for me to ask for H1 where i can pay for the processsing and not receiving any money for 2 years or J1 ,is this J1research spot differant from the J1 residency??where we dont have to do the waiver.
how do i go about with this visa issues and i m thinking whether i have to wait for 2 long years for residency......but i m sure it will be a big plus .
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| platinum
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hey kar! good opportunity but dont skip next match . so if the contract is binding u for two years, i dont think its a good idea .
no idea about the visa issue though!
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| faaa78
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2 years is too much time......I suggest commit yourself for 1 year un paid, and at 6 months when you are fully trained and necessary for the lab, start pushing for a paycheck.
But not 2 years....too long
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| doc_droc_apurva
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good to see ur search paying dividends..
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| karusmle
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i do understand that 2 years is too long , i cant apply for 2008 match if i sign the contract ,but i guess i will have a pretty good chance for 2009 match though i m worried about the visa issues and dont know how things will be for 2009 match which no one can predict.anybody knows the visa issues.plz let me know
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| aajkal
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2 years is a very long time. 2009 nobody know how difficult it will be. if u can get paid or gc by then , do it. otherwise better try for something clinical. however if the doctor also lets u observer his patients along with reserach it may be very useful. think and good luck
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| whiterabbit
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Hmm..........Lets know what happened...Hope he gives a J1 to you or a H1 with loads of pay.
GL 
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| karusmle
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WR ,its a volunteer job , noway it is a paid Job.....i m still thinking over it cause i m still not clear with the visa issues
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| amirhossein
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J1 research scholar people should seek waiver approval from DoS before change to H1 or J1 alien physician.
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| whiterabbit
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Damn man, Hey will he even give you a visa,
Did you try bargaining with him for a visa and a nominal pay.
Try the soft approach ...Tell him that you will be a less tense and more productive if you are able to work in comfortable situations like .....able to support yourself
......able to stay with out any visa issues or legal worries.
Use that approach ...tactfully any sane person would say yes to that.. These are my guesses..please consider your actions before you do anything.
Honestly CAn you survive 2 Years in this insanely expensive Place with no work visa.
GL man...
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| mufurc
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Hello Karusmle,
Having spent over 4 years in research here's my 2 cents...
I believe (obviously I am biased) that doing MEANINGFUL, DEDICATED research will further your career if you are planning on staying in academia. It is a must if you you are an IMG who wants to have a shot at the big name places like Harvard, Hopkins, Yale, etc... So it is up to you. If you "just" want to practice in the USA then 2 years might be too long, you can get an LOR after 1year and the rest would be just agony... If you are truly interested in the field and have no or little background in research then 2 years will be too short... It will take you about 1-2 years (it is NOT just my personal experienece) to get really familiar with the filed/ techniques, etc, depending on the field, and then an other 1-2 years to publish, etc... again depending on the field...
So the choice is yours.
Also regarding the visa issues... I don't think that you can work on a J-1 or an H1-B without being on payroll. Based on my experience the lab or you have to have enough fundings to support you for the duration of your stay. When I say you have to have the funding I mean in the form of grants, scholarships, etc not a winning lottery ticket... I mean I am not an immigration attorney this is just my personal experience... I started on J-1 and switched over to H1-B later. You don't have to be on an US grant/scholarship you can get funding from your home country or whereever it just has to be official.
My best advice, to clarify visa issues ask the international office at the institution where you were offered a position.
I hope this helps.
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| bikerdoc
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Murfuc is right and having done research for 5 years here I can say that YOU CANNOT go on H1B or J1 unless you are paid and even that has to be a pay commisurate with your degree level. For example you cannot just work for 10 dollars a day when according to the US department of labor the minimum earned by your degree level is 30 $/day. Its all very complicated legal paperwork and the work place sponsoring you has to justify your visa. So you can only be a volunteer on a non-working visa like H4B, F2, J2B, L2 etc etc...... Now volunteering for 2 YEARS!!!!! wow you can get a masters in that period. Why in the world would you waste 2 years in volunteer job is beyond me. I finished a pHD in 4 1/2 years and I thought that was too much. 2 years volunteering is ridiculous (pardon the expression). I would say volunteer for 3 months max and then ask for a masters position. Usually in science even the master's positions are funded well depending on grants. If you say your prospective boss is a big shot then I am sure he has a boat load of money too (not always but mostly).
My 2 cents....
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| LifeInTheFastLane
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This is what I think:
Visa: well, if you are gonna accept the position, you need a visa. There is no way you can stay on for 2 years on a visitor visa...so the question about asking for a visa sponsorship is not optional - You have to do it. And they have to sponosor it if they want you. Period.
Volunteer Situation: I wouldnt accept anything that is only voluntary for 2 years. Anything upto 6 months is ok for a voluntary setup. Beyond that, I would call it plain exploitation. Remember, this situation is negotiable. Any reasonable person can see the light in this matter if you talk to him/her about the situation at hand. If they cant, well, they are not the best people to work for.
Time situation: 2 years is a long term commitment. Sure, it will add to your CV, but think realistically. Is this in some field that you want in the long run? Will it yield enough publications for you to put down in your application? And finally, 2 years from now, how many years will you have added to your "time since graduation" equation? Competition gets worse each passing year...so draw up an appropriate plan as to what your ultimate goals are and then think whether this commitment will hinder you from achieving them.
Finally, its your call. Goodluck dude....
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Whats Up what happened
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| karusmle
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friends ,thanks alot for ur advice and help , i realised that 2 years commitment is of too long and more over i cant survive without funds and visa ,even though i heard one can do J1 research scholary without being paid but one has to show they have enough funds for 2 years to support themselves , i m sure that i m NOT gonna take this opportunity.
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Glad that you did not let him try and suck your marrow.
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http://news.yahoo.com/comics/dilbert;_ylt=AkIYXOU...
go to march 23
Edited by whiterabbit on 04/02/07 - 11:31 AM
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| mvat
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Signing a contract...that's a little unsual especially when you are not getting paid. Can you handle that? I'm thinking that with research it's going to pretty much be everyday and all day. So doing this without any pay at all for 2 years...that's a big sacrafice. Research (esp. if you can actually publish something) will be a big help but you also have to ask him if he will write you a letter of rec. for 07-08 match. If he won't and tells you that you have to fulfill the 2 year agreement first, then i would be very cautious about it, because you never know what's going to happen in 2 years..he may just write you a decent letter and not even help you in other ways to get a interview or your personal situation may change and you have to leave after 1 year and end up with no LOR, etc. Find out if the research is in your field of interest, if you have an opportunity to be an author and contribute to the paper, what your duties will be (ie. limited to data gathering and entry), etc. In my situation I did research and got a great letter and i'm sure that it helped me to get iv's and helped me to match...but just to let you know...out of 10 programs that i iv with, only 1 or 2 asked me about my research.
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| mufurc
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RE: The cartoon from WR
Familiar situation........ 
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| Dragonfly
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it is true.
a friend of mine also is doing "vol." research with no pay on J-1 !!! but they made a contract with her for only 6 months though.
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| dev
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I dont understand how can they ask you to signa contract if they are not paying you. how will it be legally valid. U should ask for a visa atleast and a nominal salary.
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| Dragonfly
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well lets face it. we don`t have the upper hand here. sometimes, something is better than nothing at all!!
i mean i would be happy with a no-pay job that gives me:
1- a J-1 for the time i need to take care of the match
2- and at the same time fills in the "gap" while doing the exams
3- and is "looked at" and "considered" during iv.s as a +
don`t you think these reasons are enough? 
nevertheless, Karusmle, i suggest not to be "bound" for 2 years. i guess after a few months in there you get enough experience to apply for other places that may even pay you!!
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| tocket2008
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If they guarantee a spot for you in 2 yrs, why not. Get written promise!
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| whiterabbit
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The PD's words worth..........
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| superabood
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such a reseach need an IMG who will really apply for match after a year or so
but does they need USMLE passing or not?
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