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with all due respect to CANDIDATES wantin to practice in canada::::::::
hi frenz...
i am glad to c the section of MCCEE in this usmle-oriented website...i am happy 2 c all mcc seekers who r tryin thier level best to get past canadian exams.
...with no intention to demoralise,i want to ask,if anystudent (img)past-mccee/qe1/qe2 secured RESIDENCY in Canada?
i have heard n seen infew websites regarding canadian law-infrastructure..as i got to know:its pretty unfriendly especialy for foreign medical graduates,even past gud MCC scores...like..they got very few amnt of residency seats extra-after deducting the no. of canadian undergraduate-MEDICINE seats...on the contrary..where in USA there are 8000 undergradute seats fo rmedicine and around 12000 Residency positions---giving way to 4000 international candidates each year!...
Can anybody,who has more infor throw some light on this topic
----Suggestions from doctors past-mccee n wrkin in Canada wud be most useful 2 all of us..before we setup DREAM-CANADA!!!
regards to all
best of luck!!
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| Willy
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Hi luckyjack and all IMGs in Canada
I am an IMG working in Canada with a restrictive permit : I did my residency in western Europe and they granted me a license after only a 3-month assessment (roughly a 3-month residency). My license is gonna be changed into a full license after I pass the boards (Royal College exam) , as any other canadian resident.
I've been here for 2 1/2 years now, and my advice would be : if you are an IMG, you should definitely apply to USA instead of Canada. I consider myself very lucky to have a license. But I have seen and heard many IMG applying for a residency being rejected. The opportunity in USA is far more better. Don't lose your time in Canada, because even Canadian-born doctors move south of the border. And I'll move also.
I'm just waiting for my canadian citizenship and then I'll apply for a residency in USA (so i won't have the visa problem). Exams are not a problem, since I already passed LMCC and hold a ECFMG certificate (yes... I'm a test taker). I'm just now trying to improve my background by seeking a research position in McGill university.
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| nima
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this is what I've also heard....I was building a great hope for Canada but it all went in vein after a little research...I even got my PR card but now I don't know how not to loose it...
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| Willy
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FYI Doctors - the TN visa does not apply for physicians. It will for nurses, but not for doctors.
Edited by bbb on 05/03/07 - 05:28 AM
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| jase
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I have also passed the canadian exams but unfortunately no residency uptill now. I don't think it is a wise idea to invest in canada.
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| spitmetal
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TN visa is just for canadians??? or other conuntries apply to?
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| Willy
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Sorry guys
TN visa is part of the NAFTA (so only for Canadians and Mexicans)
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| nima
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hey willy..are you sure about it? can u do residency with TN visa?do hospitals need to support it like j1 or H1b?what is it's future?can you apply for a green card or u have to leave the country after that?this would totally change my approach...plz provide me with some more info...
I don't wanna take the shortcut I will also check by myself...
thanks man
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| nima
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by the way...are doctors eligible to work in US with this visa...check this out...
http://www.amcits.com/nafta_professions.asp
physicians can only work there as researchers or teachers...what is it like for residency?
thanx in advance
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| nima
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oh my God...check this one out too...:
http://www.prep4usmle.com/forum/comments.php?id=1...
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| nima
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and once again it's all in vein...
http://www.prep4usmle.com/forum/comments.php?id=1...
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hehehe I think you can all feel the rise and fall of my hope!!!well I'm totally confused...I'm beginning to regret all the hassle and expense I went through for this PR card...It's just bringing more doubts for me...
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| ShweHope99.9998
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Dear Nima,
Canadian value, citizen, life , experinces worth for pr , even will go to south.
We both have so many opportunity even UK, Australia, SA etc, since long ago & still here. But always stick here for being a good Canadians, give canadian value, to us & children. Now you are in north but similar to south , so can survive, blend in south after only 3 yr here , got citizen may be more than 3 yr after depends the province & your luck of citizen honor cycle.That 3 yr , you will not even not enough sit home study for canadaian exms, & US exms. Time flies.
Even let say you pass all canadian exm, US exms b4 school finish[ do not know how, have to study fast, sleep less or no study much but have all info for exm] & here right away after school, apply canadian residency inbetween. Also apply any courses post grad or any med related research, clinic job or courses, or any med related tech etc etc then .
Your 3 yr up , still no residency here[I doupt it, if you have nice, good personal, education, canadian marks as young fresh grad.. no need to be so high , but within their interview cut off point ie for Ontario mainly, so many province need any young, or current practice Doc, not care for marks, but pass the exm, ] you will be going south as canadian, US treat us as favor compare with any other passports.
Also alot of provinces has good high pay as physician, Dr assistant with or without canadian exm pass, depends on provinces.
So it will be un-wise, foolish , not to get Canadian citizen which all around the world is crying for. You'll see when come for UOT electives, they really teach you, get you to work like intern/ clerkship if is 4th yr med of canadian elective.Do not forget to get your Toronto Notes when to do the MCCEE, QE1.
Also got good contact by canadian elective in Ontario, then apply residency position, if pass all 1st few canadian exam with high marks. Best chance here is you're still in school, newly grad even no status. They like fresh blood here , new grad even , no clinical after shool . Only non-fresh grad are left out mostly.
So Nima, as a going to be fresh grad, will read toronto notes, qs [ I do not know much, some might know here] & go for canadian exm asap when allow, eligible , come here with at least MCCEE passed , & apply all provinces residency.Then USA will be 2nd priority.
Good luck,
IMG, senior Canada, not accepted by my proud country here, cause came her too early, no clue of any info north or south or even MSc will give you stipend etc, with resonable money flow in though tuition cost, still have money in . They here want you to be schooling even MBA, any if not in med related school. No favor of working in especially non med related to support self, family.    
But still no regret , try my best, enjoy the life & will give my best in south & here.
By the way , in US, even as canadian you'll need J1 or H1 visa to be in residency unless work as others. But with pr , with job or school here 1 yr, easy to get the cross border visa to USA [ happen only after recently by air, will be soon by land too].
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| spitmetal
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Willy wrote:
Sorry guys
TN visa is part of the NAFTA (so only for Canadians and Mexicans)
Im from mexico, how do i get that visa?
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| nima
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well shwehope, thank you very much for the through input...but it's really hard to follow..should be my problem though...
but I agree that there has been many success stories in Canada,but there's no doubt there are much less chances in Canada...I don't mind working for 1 2 years in research or whatever it takes to improve my application on my own expenses but in Canada it's impossible for an IMG to get into any surgery related field...only the leftovers from family physician or Internal medicine...
well it's a big dillema ...hope to find a good solution...
and spitmetal:follow the links I provided you'll find a lot of good info
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| ShweHope99.9998
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You're welcome Nima.
If I were you as the still in school, will grad soon , I will choose Canada , since has PR here too, over USA. Will focus canadian exam, plan for it withexam timing, get high canadian exam marks then will do US exam too almost same time ,when like MCCEE with step 2 USMLE.But still priority will be canadian. As in surgical, surgery, canadian may be easier than US as a young recent grad.
There is illusion that Canada has only Fm, IM. Canada has so many subspecialities, also all provinces has so many different rules, so if not choosy about the provinces, usually matched , even not in 1st round[ if not young grad or current, recent practice] , now so many selection is going on, also even not in for the yr. try next yr, but inbetween, almost all big, small, provinces are opening up the PA[physician assistant position with or without canadian exam passed depends on the provinces] jobs , with good clinical practice & pay. Better than research.Some did usmle, after in canadian residency or done & while working , very few exceptional.
Also Australia is accepting canadian exams then , work at there then go for OZ exams while work as Dr there.
Check all canadian medical, immigration , all web b4 move. Also all canadian exam has to apply very early, not year round, only few times in a yr.
Just do not want to give mis-info for current or recent practice or grad Drs dream to be as Dr. in Canada.
GL as you choose Nima .
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| nima
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thank you showhope...I hope to make the wisest decision....
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You're welcome & GL nima .
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| Willy
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Hi evry1
I think you need H1B or J1 visa for a residency position, not TN visa. But the fact is that it is a lot easier to get a H1B visa as a Canadian citizen. I guess if you come from Middle East (which is not my case), you have better chances applying as a Canadian citizen.
I have a European passport, which is also good. But having a PR card, I don't want to waste it. I will apply for a Canadian citizenship.
For the US residency, I will apply for a H1B visa (I will take USMLE step 3) this winter. And then ask for a green card.
For IMGs applying in Canada rather than USA, let me tell you : big mistake !
I realize it myself since I work in Canada for almost 2 years now.... Public health care sucks : patients wait in the ER for >8 hours.....rich or poor, you are treated the same (communism ?)
So imagine...you are a famous doctor in Toronto, going on vacation in Vancouver, and you fall from your bicycle (or worse...your kid falls from his bicycle)...you end up in a downtown hospital waiting >8-10 hours. And all the money that you earned can't help you. You are stuck in this room waiting for a sleep-deprived resident to check on you.
I'd rather be in USA and go into a private hospital, get good service by an experienced physician, even if it means I have to pay.
If you had experience working in a publicly-funded institution, you already know how it is hard to change things....
Private health care and free market is the solution to Canadian Healthcare. Unfortunately, everything is soooo slow in this country.
Think beyond your residency and your license to practice.... USA is definitely the best place to be
From an IMG working in Canada.
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| ShweHope99.9998
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Bravo Willy, bravo, well said.
High five to you mate.
The system that I am not happy with in way in speed of handling pt care in ER or any others ..
eg . to see any specility, without Fm Dr's refering letter , you're not allow , even the chest pain to see Cardiologist. If licky enogh , one of your non Fm Dr , Drs will refer you to the specility you need to see.
But wait time to see speciality, get the tests done you're lucky, you will still alive it takes months , some yrs to get to see the specilty Drs .
To get scopy same long wait , wait foe good 3 to 4 mo, MRI , CT same .
If lucky will get soon though .
So that is finally turn me off want to be in the Canadian System now the system i do not trust , not until they change it to better way of pt care, treatment etc.& it's not free in most provinces, you still do pay the fees as annule with job extented care fees too .
Even you've already pay alot of tax in daily food if in restaurant etc & all high tax in your monthly income cut off for tax & still paying high tax at the yr end of tax yr .
Tax are also strange, like I work the less to none yr I pay alot of tax then I work FT with higher income.To get explaination, goverment also always right in tax here , even very lone yr hard talk with tax center to approved that legitamate education tax refund they had paid you then asking back with all the interst from day 1 of yrs back b4 their refund to you, say they make a mistake, actually they...... make a mistake really this time to ask the money back , finally it solved farily, but no apology from them of all those hassle , long distance call I had make , in day time work day. Looks like I do not have enoygh hassle from my FT job 
Sorry to vent here, just me as unlucky.
But , hey as I said b4 for recent grad, almost grad, currently or recently in practice , Canada is still home sweet home , multicultural , can get all food if in big city like Toronto . See alot of young grd friends & some old grd friends win the residency yearly .
If not in residency , their others MsC, PhD are better tuition fees with income from grant, stipend that can survive . Also if pass their EE, QE which are much easier than usmle, will be working as Physician Assistant which is really high pay almost the Dr one here .
Not know USA Drs' pay , but USA Dr friends said pay here much better than south,so his psych friend move up here after the residency & attending in south , but do not forget about our Canadian high tax too .
So, hey , any where if the work you love, ppl, place you like, go for it .
Willy, I envey you. You're one of the lucky bunch with direct accessment 3 mo into system. I told all friends around the world, even relatives, sibs that re; dierct assessment & then Royal exm...... they all thought I made this up, even my sibs in law in Canada in practicing med field already . Thank god .. you're proven living Dr here .
GL fellow Canadian .
I also plan for H visa, no turning back, to do st 3 in late next yr .
Hope to meet you in person some day in Toronto or Vancouver .or in USA .
GL GL GL happy success study to us , all
ps . Nima .. here pr is good for future.. may be.. retirement, old age, health care of old age etc.
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