mindmentor
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let me know how you feel regarding this: I have a ROL with H1 and J1 sponsopring hospitals. I need a visa, obviously. My husband is going to get a green card by next year, earliest. I can enter that only on an H1. I have decent J1 programs on my side.
Is J1 still worth considering?
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| amirhossein
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This is very hard to answer. But as far as I know, if you were on J, you wouldn't be able to change to any other type of visa.
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| ngt
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as afar as I understand the process, if you have a J1, you will not be able to apply for a green card. (your husband will get it but you will still have the requirement).
can you apply for an EAD right now? this works as a green card. this may be the case if you expect to have the GC by next year. or do you plan to apply next year?
in any case, go visit an immigration lawyer. they can give you the best advice and answer to your qs.
ngt.
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| hookorcrook
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If I had a green card in sight in the next year I would rank all my H programs first and then the J programs and let destiny take over ...unless you don't mind resettling in 3-6 yrs time to do a waiver job. You CANNOT change your J status until you have done the waiver or you are from a developed country urself.
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| mindmentor
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Thanks for the responses...
Yeah, that's right I cannot get into his GC if I go for J1. My EAD shd come in by year end! Dicey situation. I actually love some of my J1 programs. Sigh....its all in the head!
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| amirhossein
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As residents say, the place you are doing your residency is not that much important. But for fellowship, good program is important.
Just enter the system and stick to your GC.
I would Forget J.
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| mindmentor
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Point taken! THanks again.
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| Veer-Zaara
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I think the only advantage J1 has over H1 is tht its suppose to be the preferred visa for fellowship training. However at one of the places I interviewed the interviewer insisted tht its now a myth and tht many programs prefer to sponsor H1 than J1 becoz those on J1 usually leave the program mid-way to join some waiver jobs and the H1 candidates tend to stick on. Also met a few residents during my interview trail getting fellowships on H1 visa.Talked to 1 fellowt and she said never-ever come on J1 and tht its just as easy to get fellowship on H1 visa and tht now she and the faculty are having problems becoz they want to retai her (and she wants to join them after her fellowship is over) but the 2 yr home country obligation is coming in between. She said many faculties dont prefer to train J1 candidates becoz they will go back to their home country or somewhere else.....so whts the point to train such a candidate!
So keeping these expereinces I would say tht H1 visa is better than j1 visa.Plus it depends on the type of university sponsoring the j1 visa......is it really a prestigious top notch program or one of those IMG friendly lesser known university program?
Kindly bear in mind tht this is my expereince and may vary from individual to individual.If you're married or thinking of getting married in the short-medium term then I strongly recommend H1.
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| arachnoiditis
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Mindmentor I am in exactly in the same situation as you are.....I was offered an H-1B prematch but decided to go for the Matc...most of my top programs in the Match are J-1.....I have thought extensively about it....
1- If I take J-1 from a top university the chances are that I will get fellowship right out of residency so it makes 3 year IM plus 4 year fellowship.....then I will do a waiver 3 year the total comes to...10 years.....GC after 10 years
2- Take the same above scenario and say I dont get fellowship straight out of residency then 3 year residency plus 3 year waiver and then 4 year fellowship the total comes to 10 years. Green card aftr 10 years
3- Now if I take H-1 from a sub standard program then the chances are that I will not get fellowship right out of residency and would have to either do a hospitlist job or some research so say 2 year Hospitalist Job or research then a fellowship the ttal comes to 9 years....you will get green card in 1 year though...
4- If you take H-1 then you might get a less competitive fellowship staright out of residency...the total in this case comes to 3 plus 2 equal to 5-6 years...
Having gone through the Math in the last 1 year the conclusion is that its your call ...I have made the decision to rank the programs according to their quality not visa as to me what matters the most is the quality of training not green card nor H-1B...I want to be well trained in an academic institute and I think 10 years down the road it will not matter what visa I took as eventually I will get the green card.....make your choice and good luck in whatever you do...
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| usdream
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Please also take into account that:
You may not be able to get a waiver...
You will need to spend >10000 to get a waiver...
The waiver extention to 5 years is a possibility....
Chances of a J1 refusal from the embassy as you will need to furnish evidence of home country residence....
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| Veer-Zaara
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I would like to highlight tht you do not get GC as quickly as described above even if you're on H1 visa with J1 its even slower.
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| wamba
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I will surelybe on J1. I will think about the future (waivers, GC, etc.) when I get in the system. Not before.
Why is it so important to get a GC? we cant work in the US without? I dont wanna become american. If I can work in a different status, I will be fine.
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| bbb
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That's the problem, Wamba - you will have to have a Green Card to work in the country. All the other visas have a time limitation.
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| wamba
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I understand.
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| arachnoiditis
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Mind mentos spouse is going to be a citizen so she can get GC a soon as he is a citizen.....J-1 Refusal is a possiblity and so is the possibility of H-1B refusal....the chances of waiver are bright in the forseeable future as the Baby Boomers are creating a vacuum in the health system....the US Gov estimate is that by 2020 there will be a deficit of 25% physician workforce even with the number of medical students being enrolled increased recently......yes not getting a waiver is a possibility and 10000 bucks thing is true to an extent.....but depends how you wish to find a waiver by a recruiter or yourself.....I think the biggest drawback for you Mindmentor is that in the J-1 interview you would have to convince them that you are going to leave USA after training and that would be difficult with you citizen spouse but people have gotten J-1 with citizen spouse.....
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| wamba
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good analysis arachnoiditis
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| vancomycin
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hey veer zara
did u check ur pm
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| mindmentor
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Thanks guys, for the analysis and feedback. I actually have decent university programs on my list (my residence state being California). Well I do compete against AMG's...but its a back up. There are a few J1 programs I'd love to go to.
But I am not sure if I would be happy doing the waiver thing...I think I want to subspecialize and as far as I know, most waiver jobs are in primary care? With an H1 going on to a GC within a year or 2 I could spring back to a fellowship and practice near my family.
I'd say H1 offers flexibility than J1 where you know you need to give a few years to a waiver position.
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| iamjee
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Ideally speaking wamba's POV is true. The quality of instruction should be the guiding factor in choosing a residency. But thats not always the case sadly.I find Veer Zara's point valid in that why would a program want a candidate who is going to go back. But then so many programs in the east coast do not sponsor H1s for fellowships.Apparently there is a NIH funding issue I fail to understand and about which I have never got a satisfactory answer. So then only GC holders and citizens do fellowships is it?I would think if you had all the qualifications for a fellowship but were refused because of visa status its extremely disheartening.
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http://www.acponline.org/journals/news/sep01/imgs.htm
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