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welcome eldora, 
well the proble, with H1-B is not the "getting process". more than that you have to be lucky enough to find a residency program that is willing to sponsor that!! same for iranians and others...
most programs prefer J1 b/c it is easier and ECFMG has to take care of it.
good luck!
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| amirhossein
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Dragon times two.
Wish you luck with USMLEs eldora!
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| nazila
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amirhossin is there any usmle score limit for taking observation?????
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| eldora
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HI,
Does anyone know a good resource such as a web site or own experience for excellent LORs for medical students perposes ,Now I am a visitor in US and my mentor said that I can bring a letter and then he will sign it.
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| amirhossein
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nazila, sorry about delay, sometimes I miss some posts. To your question: No, they don't have any cutoff score for USMLEs.
To eldora, not that I know of. Google it. The letter writer should mention about your comminucation skill, flexiblity in work environment and write that despite you are so knowledgeable you don't fear to ask questions and have eager to learn new things.
To nima, read this http://www.prep4usmle.com/forum/thread/54203
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| nazila
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THX Amirhossin
Are you sure cleveland clinic in Florida replyied my E-mail they need score 85&up 4 observer.
How about others ????????
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| amirhossein
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In UNMC, they didn't ask me such a thing.
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| Dragonfly
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well some programs require it and some don`t. (SCORE)
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| eldora
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hi,
does anyone have any experience for observership and being matched?I have read in most of the websites that it is not useful ! what about research intern? I was an observer for 2 months in MD Anderson Cancer Center, and I am a research intern now.do you have any suggestion if they are useful for my future matching? I am a little bit worried,unfortunatley I could not get a clerkship yet.I missed the deadlines.
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| nima
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Observation and research are fine.Amirhossein has done an observation and one of my friends got a match at Massacheuset general hospital for anesthesiology only with his 2.5 year research,no marvelous grades,no clerkship,no connection...
So go for whatever you find.of course if you can get an externship that would be great...(Do they have deadlines??!!!)
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| eldora
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thanks for your reply,
I wanted to apply for clerkship not externship.I am still a medical student.As I wanted to stay in the US only till the end of July I missed the deadline beforethe moth of July.There is no deadline for externship or clerkship,but I suggest you to apply about 5 to 6 moths ahead.
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| nima
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I must have missed your previous posts..are you a medical student in US?or in Iran?in case of latter how did you manage to get your transcript from the university...b/c that's what I'm looking for...
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| eldora
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hi,
I am a student in Iran,but I ahve got 6 months off from my university.For my transcrip, I have got it from the ministry of health.It is hard and time-consuming but it is doable.
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| amirhossein
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Good to hear that eldora. Good luck!
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| avesta
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Hi friends
I graduated in 2000 & after finishing TARH in 2002 I've been detached form medical field until now.
I'm concerned that is participating in USMLE a wise decision for me? (considering these negative points including problems in getting visa as an iranian)
If so:
-Is it possible to mention something unreal about this gap in my CV or do they want all parts of our CV supported by related documents?
-Can higher score compensate this imperfection?
-Is LOR from iranian professors who are educated in US can be a good point?
-Among step1 & 2CK scores, which one is more important?
-Is it possible for an IMG to get residency in radiology?
It would be really appreciated if you could help me.
thx in advance
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| nima
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about if it's wise or not nobody can answer that...it's your life...who knows better than yourself,but still there are many old graduates who manage to pass USMLE and get residency positions..
LOR from Iranians can be good to get research position or sth like this there..but for residency match not a big shot...we really can't compare our big shot names to theirs...you should try to get their LOR's...
they say for surgical fields step 1 is very important (since grades are generally higher in step 2)but for IM and FP,step 2 is important.but I don't believe in it..we're in low position,,if we were americans this could be right.
Radiology,I know one guy from my own school who went to US and got matched in radio this year...he was a 99/99+5 publication+4 months externship+1 year research+his aunt was an attending in a famous US university hospital....so yes it is possible...still there are many IMG's who match in radio...
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| Dragonfly
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well i think high scores can give better chances but you have to know one thing from the start: "Nothing is for sure when it comes to getting a residency position in US!" all of us know this fact and yet we are struggling our ways to hopefully land somewhere. you have to do your best but at the end of the day, God takes you through the final gate
like nima said . you have to think of the cost/benefit ratio which is very personal. and you have to consider both a positive and a possible negative outcome.
i would suggest if you have the money and the time, take one of the steps (1 or 2) and see how you do on it and then go on from there.
and about the LORs from iranian docs. you should know the majarity of us don't have a single connection or fancy US doc LORs but many make it without these. so it is not ALL or NONE.
and about the scores again i go along with nima. we have to prove ourselves more worthy than US students. so try your best for Both steps. it is competitive out there and you have to shine among the crowd...
but believe me, it is POSSIBLE and DOABLE. and besides the material is almost the same more or less for all the steps. afterall it is all about medicine! so if you do good on one step, you are half way through the other steps.
good luck.
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| amirhossein
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Avesta,
This a hard job to do and you should invest your money and time and devote yourself to it. If you are ready for this devotion, it is doable.
You have some obstacles that you should pass them.
First of all is visa. you can be here on J1 research scholar or B1 visa.
The year of graduation is another concern. So, you should take exam as soon as possible. Some people study for 3 years! 1 year is enough. I would take step 1 first and then shortly after step 2 CK.
Without any experience in Radio in US, it is some kinda hard to get a Radio residency. So at least do something in Iran, while you are studying for exams. Earn LoRs from Iranian Doctors and meanwhile contact all the residency program to get a Prof or someone who is willing to help you, then come over and work for him/her to earn a US LoR.
Gap is important, but if you could fill it reasonably, that'd be OK.
Both of score are important. Some program would say step 1, coz some AMG take step 2CK late and they don't have their result at the time of application. So, it is for them not for IMGs. I would say, it is perfect if have all you scores when you apply.
The last but not least, I don't know what happend to all guys from Iran that pursue Radiology, it is like a trend and everyone want radio. In my opinion, it is awfull, your workplace is always dark and you just see shadow of people. The danger of radiation is out of question. In early 60's in Iran, no one wants to go to radio.
Some say, the income is high, but it is just for Interventionalist not for all of them.
You can be successful in every speicialty that you really love and enjoy working in that field.
Anyway, you have two year of hard job ahead, good luck.
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| avesta
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Dear friends
Thank you so much for your replies.
But I'm really concerned about this gap in my CV!!
And to Amirhossein:
Actually, my choice is ophthalmology but it seems that I must never think about it as an IMG! 
So after this, I prefer a field not very stressful like radiology or nuclear medicine.
God bless you all
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| Dragonfly
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can't you get a letter from a hospital that shows you were "working" in there? are they going to check with the hospital in the US? anybody?
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| amirhossein
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There are so many ways to fill the gap. it should be off the record!!
1. Matab: Mitooni benevis ke dar roosta matab dashti va mariz midi ta betooni parvane kare dar shahre bozorg mese Teh ro begiri.
2. Kar kardan dar darmangah haye kheyrieh.
3. kar kardan dar marakez tahghighti e daneshghah ha, masaln markaze ghodade bimarestan shariati, ye markaze saratne bimarestane emam va etc.
Behtare age kasi Med Rep boode oono zekr nakone va be jash bege kar clinic karde
Ta oon jaye ke man mosahebe raftam kasi ba bimarestan haye ke kar karde boodam check nakard vali behtare vaghti esmi az jaye mibarin hatman az oon ja motmaen bashin.
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manam ba amir movafeqam rahaye ziadi vojood dare ke beheshoon qaleb konim 
merci amir az tozihatet.
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| amirhossein
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You are most welcome.
How are you doing with visa dragon?
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| avesta
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Thx a lot Dragonfly & amirhossein
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