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yes. bcoz ur application will b considered incomplete and may not be screened.
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| doc_droc_apurva
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dont u have any decent stop gap home lors to send?
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| docroc
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PLease I want to correct u doc apurva. Dont advise on stop gap lors as they cannot be replaced later on. only new can be added in an empty slot or u can update the existing letters but letter writers once assigned cannot be changed.
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| doc_droc_apurva
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yes but u can assign new lors. u can add new lor writers. u can switch ur lors and replace them - not in the eras as such like erasing a new lor and adding a new one. but u defin can switch from lor A to lor B to every program. u just have to unclick the old one and click the new one. kindly read the eras manual for details.
i wud put in home lors as stopgap and apply on sept 1 and then switch as the new lors get uploaded rather than wait.. correct me if im wrong.. bbb??
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I can't answer how ERAS works behind the system. I know that applicants call me and they tell me that they assigned a new letter and they want me to upload it. My answer is that it will automatically upload when I contact ERAS again. Then we get notification that something changed in an applicants file.
Define "late" to receive this letter - mid september isn't late - december is.
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I am not very confident still about this stop gap lor idea. This is not eras policy. Eras says that u can assign a maximum of 4 lors to a program. And if it allows u to switch lors at a later time then u can send any number of lors to a particular program. Just keep switching all the lors u have. Ultimately this way all ur lors will be downloaded by the program. This is against eras policy.
So please if u advice on stop gap lors, please do so if u r dead sure about this issue. Otherwise candidates might just end up stuck with old lors and new US lor would be a waste.
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BBB might be referring to those callers who initially assigned only 2-3 lors and who later on call her that they have assigned a new lor. (but not replaced an old one) BE CAUTIOUS
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I just read ERAS instructions on LORS..
Here is what eras has to say:
Note: You cannot edit or delete LoR requests that have already been sent to
at least one program. You may, however, de-assign and delete a LoR request
if it was never sent to a program; and you may also re-assign a new one in its
place at any time.
Read carefully. They say u can deassign and reassign only if ur lor has not yet been sent to the program. Once it leaves the eras post office to the program it gets locked.
So I would say no to stopgap LORs
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going by the same conjecture - what if i change my phone number or email address in my profile? once thats transmitted then even it cant be changed!! well i changed both email and contact number atleast thrice and never had any issues..
i think u have greatly misinterpreted the bottom of pg 24 and beginning of page 25 of the eras manual. u cannot change the document.. like if ur lor states ur a genius - u cannot change it to be stating that ur a not genius.. if u want to make such a change u need to make a new lor and then get it scanned and then assign it.
caution: once u deassign the lor it gets replaced on the programs computer with ur new one. however exception is if they have already made hard copies - which they usually do a few days before ur iview. then ur in a better position to take a hard copy of the new lor to the program urself..
and im sure bbb has said that she has to download everything or nothing. hence if the program doesnt download the new thing then again ur at a loss. but this rarely happens as all programs download everyday..
i stand by my viewpoint of stopgap lors.. i personally plan to upload a good lor in oct and am using a stopgap lor in its place. feel free to call eras for clarifications.
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Dear apurva,
first of all eras policy is not same for every document. It is different for profile and lors. You can change, edit , delete, do whatever with your profile but not with lors. Profile will be retransmitted any number of times. A lor will only be retransmitted if it is updated vesion from the same assigned letter writer. U cannot deasign a letter writer once program recieves your scanned lor.
You can try it yourself and u will not be able to do it. So please my advice would be to make 100% sure of what u r doing.
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And by the line 'it gets locked' I dont mean that the post office gets locked, but the lor gets locked and u cannot deaasign it. Post office is indeed open to transmit other requests like updated profile.
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| LifeInTheFastLane
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So, do we have a consensus from this "War of the Words?"
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well i have known ppl to do it. and i plan to do it. and i have been able to deassign and reassign lor last yr. unless they have changed the entire software i wud be able to do it this time also. u just have to go to the programs applied tab and click on the program and there u can even change TRACKS, lors, PS - anythin u want.. tons of folks submit and updated ps which include any new usce they have come across. and they get sent by the next adts transmission which the program downloads. i have also stated the page numbers of eras manual - every1 is free to read it for themselves and form their own opinions.
i stand by my stand on stopgap lors and im willin to bet on this i think the best (and only) way to convince u is that u take the trouble to call up ecfmg eras and be kind enuf to post on this thread what they say gl..
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You cannot edit or delete LoR requests that have already been sent to
at least one program. You may, however, de-assign and delete a LoR request
if it was never sent to a program; and you may also re-assign a new one in its
place at any time.
my interpretation - once u deselect the lor and it has been transmitted - u cannot delete it. but u have sent another lor in its place and have explicitly asked the program that its ur preference that they view the new lor and not the old one..
and i quote point number 3 from the eras manual page 24 near the bottom under the guidelines for assigning docs:
YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR LOR AND PERSONAL STATEMENT ASSIGNMENTS AT ANY TIME
had ur view point been true - then this statement is superflous bcoz then u cant change an lor once assigned
anyhow i think we are beatin a dead horse.. so i just hope some1 here is kind enuf to call/email eras and post here make my (or your) day
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| doc_droc_apurva
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point 5: you may deassign lors and assign new lors in their place
i have already submitted my interpretation of point 7 which u have copy pasted..
also to mention point 8 and 9 - hence usmle transcript and photo are the things which u cannot deassign after transmission
i rest my case.. may i be damned to hell if im wrong or have my moderatorship taken away by dumitriu.. lol..
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It's on the ERAS web page:
On the Letter of Recommendation page you can view/edit and print cover letters for existing Letter of Recommendation writers or designate new Letter of Recommendation (LoR) writers.
If you have existing Letter of Recommendation (LoR) writers you can view/edit them by clicking on their name. You can also print cover letters for each LoR by clicking on the "print cover letter" button or view a list of programs that you have assigned them to by clicking on the "assignments" button.
If you do not have any existing Letter of Recommendation (LoR) writers and wish to designate new ones, you can do so by clicking on the "Designate a New Letter of Recommendation Writer" button.
For each Letter of Recommendation (LoR) writer you create you must enter the "name" of the letter writer, the "title/department" they are from, and the "Specialty(s) to which this letter will be assigned." Make sure that the names and titles you enter are accurate and appropriate as both your Dean's Office (i.e. Medical School, CaRMS, ECFMG, EFDO, etc.) and the Programs that you apply to WILL be able to see both the name and title/department for each LoR writer you send them a Letter of Recommendation from. They will however, not be able to see the Specialty to which the letter was assigned.
A Letter of Recommendation writer should be designated for each LoR you have, that will be uploaded by your Dean's Office (i.e. Medical School, ECFMG, EFDO, etc.). Up to four (4) Letter of Recommendations (LoRs) can be assigned to each program.
And from the ERAS workbook:
[left]Note: You cannot edit or delete LoR requests that have already been sent to[/left] [left]at least one program. You may, however, de-assign and delete a LoR request[/left] [left]if it was never sent to a program; and you may also re-assign a new one in its[/left] [left]place at any time. [/left]
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Ok, this is directly from ECFMG:
"You cannot change a LOR if it has been transmitted to the program (think apurva mentioned this). What you can do is assign another LOR to the program (read as "additional") which the program will have to download when contacted by ERAS. Then you may go forth and request the program directly via phone/fax/snail mail/email/personal peek/pony express/"whatever-suits-your-fancy" and request them to consider that LOR as your "trump" LOR. However, it is the program's discretion now to do what it pleases:whether to accept your request (I dont see why a program wouldn't, but then every PC is not bbb and given the amount of work that lands on a PC's desk every match season, he/she might easily simply forget!) or to "forget about i" (technically, they can since if they need 3 LORs and you have provided them with a stop-gap lor and fulfilled the requirement)"
Disclaimer: USER IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO CONTACT THE ECFMG AND BUG THEM WITH THIS QUESTION AGAIN. NO CLAIM IS MADE AS TO THE AUTHENTICITY/VALIDITY OF THIS INFORMATION SINCE THE SOURCE IS 3RD PARTY(ECFMG). THE ABOVE HAS BEEN POSTED BY AN UN-PROFESSIONAL (IN MATTERS OF MATCHING, ETC) WITHOUT ANY SPECIAL TRAINING/EXPERIENCE/EXPERTISE IN THIS FIELD. PLEASE DONT TRY THIS ALONE AT HOME
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Exactly my point. So last post made me 95% sure that I will not use stopgap lor. Waiting from final confirmation from someone.
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My answer to that is "I'm sorry, but all documents must come through ERAS to be considered"
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