guayoman Forum Elite

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| | 07/07/06 - 11:17 AM  
 
   
 
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Why is the decrease in Na+ indicative of severe heart failure? How is low Na+ associated with high renin, aldosterone, vasopressin, and norepinephrine?
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| msyamp Forum Fanatic
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| | 07/07/06 - 12:17 PM  
 
   
 
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sodium decresase > decreses Na Glomerular filtrate > sensed by JG apparatus > increase in renin > increase in angiotension > increase in aldosterone
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| guayoman Forum Elite

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| | 07/07/06 - 01:33 PM  
 
   
 
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OHHHHHH!!!!!!! and.........since the liquid is accumulating the Na+ level will never rise and keep on the downward spiral! Why didn't I think of that before? Thanks msyamp
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| MAZI Forum Elite
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| | 07/08/06 - 06:59 AM  
 
   
 
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DEAR GUAYOMAN i think in the end stage heart failure, because of the extreme decrease in the cardiac output and selective vasoconstriction of renal artery because of high serum catecholamin concentration, the GFR is too low to suply approprite fluid for the function of aldosteron in the distal tubule and then water retention become more and more than Na retention
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| MAZI Forum Elite
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| | 07/08/06 - 07:05 AM  
 
   
 
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dear guayman i think in the end stage heart failure because of the extreme low cardiac output and high serum catecholamine level , the GFR is too low to suply the appropriate fluid in the distal tubule for the function of aldostrone and the water retention overcom onthe Na retention
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| MAZI Forum Elite
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| | 07/08/06 - 07:07 AM  
 
   
 
|   #6 |
excuse me its my fault
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| guayoman Forum Elite

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| | 07/11/06 - 03:47 PM  
 
   
 
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Sorry I didn't write sooner. Yes, you are totally right! I appreciate very much the explanation.
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