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I'm a 3rd year student from Romania. I will sit for the USMLE Step 1 in november, this year.. The Medical educational system in Romania consists of 6 years of Medical School before rezidency, so I have 3 years left in which I am planning to strengthen my resume.
I read what a lot of people had to say about the whole process of getting into a US Residency Program and I saw that in order to get into very good programs, besides very good USMLE scores, is highly recommended to have some USCE and/or research experience with published papers.
I also understood that, concerning USCE, it is most valued the hands-on experience (for obvious reasons) which is represented by clinical rotations and externships. I didn’t read a lot about the second choice (because from what I know is for graduates). As for clinical rotations, I saw there is a wide range of opportunities (I mean, lots of Universities accept International Students to do 1 to 3 months of rotations on lots of specialties, some for money, some pretty much free).
I am interested in talking to people that did some rotations; if there is someone, please contact me here, on this thread, on pm or through mail (nastaimanuel@yahoo.com). I am curious to know which are the conditions in getting accepted how could I improve my chances of getting accepted in doing rotations in surgery or other tough to get into specialties.
Also, does anybody know any other way of strengthening my CV (while I’m still a student)? Research for me doesn’t sound that appealing because I think you waste a lot of time in that and it doesn’t grant you anything for sure.. (you gotta be productive and publish papers in order to be able to use it). In fact I have no idea what kind of research I could do in the Surgery field (‘cause that’s what I want to do).. If someone could enlighten me I’d be very thankful.
Thank you all for your time!! I promise to post everything that I'll find and it's helpful for the students who wish to do the same things that I do. I will also appreciate every one of your thoughtful responses!
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ManuNastai wrote:
Hi!
I'm a 3rd year
The Medical educational system ((here)) consists of 6 years of Medical School before residency, so I have 3 years left in which I am planning to strengthen my resume.
I read what a lot of people had to say about the whole process of getting into a US Residency Program and I saw that in order to get into very good programs, besides very good USMLE scores, is highly recommended to have some USCE and/or research experience with published papers.
I also understood that, concerning USCE, it is most valued the hands-on experience (for obvious reasons) which is represented by clinical rotations and externships. I didn’t read a lot about the second choice (because from what I know is for graduates). As for clinical rotations, I saw there is a wide range of opportunities (I mean, lots of Universities accept International Students to do 1 to 3 months of rotations on lots of specialties, some for money, some pretty much free).
Also, does anybody know any other way of strengthening my CV (while I’m still a student)? Research for me doesn’t sound that appealing because I think you waste a lot of time in that and it doesn’t grant you anything for sure.. (you gotta be productive and publish papers in order to be able to use it). In fact I have no idea what kind of research I could do in the Surgery field (‘cause that’s what I want to do).. If someone could enlighten me I’d be very thankful.
Thank you all for your time!! I promise to post everything that I'll find and it's helpful for the students who wish to do the same things that I do. I will also appreciate every one of your thoughtful responses!
Im almost in the same situation ... so did you find any answers to your questions?
Ill appreciate anything you have to say ... 
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!!!!! you posted that thread last year ... but not even one reply where is everybody?
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u def need to do some research..wat u do doesnt matter cause u just need to show them that u understand diff models of research, capable in data collection..
HIV is one t best...do some volunteering work esp in HIV and some disease prevention program..
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I started this thread a long time ago. Since then, a lot have changed... Rgarding what I asked, I mnaged to get a research fellowship at Johns Hopkins. I'm going to go to Baltimore to start this on thursday, so probably, my presence o the forum may become dim until autumn. Let's hope everything works out fine for me. good luck to you all!
Manu
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A research fellowship at john hopkins - hats off to you Manu...
Congrats and good luck!
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Being a student ...
How can i become eligible to do any of the "USCE" or any thing else in the US... what do i need to have to show them so ill probebly get any opportunities?
eg, what did you have, to get this great opportunity? ... im really planning on doing anything i can during school so i dont end up wasting some years of my life after graduation ... if a can do it now, why postpone?... GL
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well... I'm answering for those who pm-ed me too:
It's no secret. The path has been posted before on this forum. All you need is some medical education, perseverence, time and a pinch of luck.
-To get some research as a medical student you don't have to pass any MLEs, but it will be a hell of a lot easyer if you do and better still if you get a high score.
-Write a resume, a nice one and write a email that you will send to every professor.
-now concentrate on one/a few univs that you'd like to do research at (remember that NIH is also a great place to get involved at)
-go to the school's website and search the place where the faculty are listed.
-go to your desired department
-there you'll find all the faculty. in some school they have written there their research interests and some their CVs. You now have to look in there and adapt the template email you'll send according to their interests. Another way to do it is by searching the doctor you'll find on medline and there look what he/she's been published.
-send ALL of them emails attaching your CV
hopefully you'll get positive answers. Now, I mentioned above perseverance... this is because this email sending business follows what I just invented "the rule of the ten": out of 500 emails sent, 50 (10%) will answer to you and 5 (10% of 10%) will be positive answers, but due to their requrements, and some other variables you may end up with 0,5 (10%) opportunities. So, that's why you have to send a huge number of emails.
check out these guides of getting research
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/advice/prospect...
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~gurumurt/newgrad.html
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Thanks so much ... that is really of great help ... being a student what CV are you talking about i have absolutely nothing to put in it! So, what should i have done already to be able to mention anything in it?
Now, if someone does not know anything about how research works or what its all about, are they going to teach me the ABCs or ... again i have to be something before i have the gutts to ask for something?
Thanks sooo much for your replies...
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that's ok. I'm standing in your shoes right now, in every aspect. dude, if you have lmost nothing in your CV it means you don't know shit about research, so they know they have to teach you how the fire looks like and how NOT to taste the different substances 
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OK whats the use (for them)? why do they let us come? and what did you put in your great CV?
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dude, you asked for advice and I gave it! I think that's enough for now...
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hi manu ,.....congrats for the great opportunity,...anyway u r on which visa for the research and it is of how much duration??
and one more thing ,.....did u have to personally visit the faculty or u had a good luck by sending a few hundred mails and getting a positive response sitting at ur home only....???
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B1/B2 for 4 months- 'cause I've 2 yrs of med school left. as i said, i sent applications by email
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can any one please advice me regarding HIPAA ACT...how do i get training in hipaa..is it must for getting an elective..do universities offer this course after i get selected..HOW NUCH TIME AND MONEY IS REQUIRED TO GET A CERTIFICATE
should i write in application form for hipaa AS 'NO'..
i dont have toefel scores but, english is the medium of training in my school..is it must for applyin for an elective are universities very rarticular for toefel scores
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the best person to ask these questions is the secretary of the elective program. email her!
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so u r doing research without any stipend??
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yes, I am
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ManuNastai
in which field is your research topic going to be about? is it basic science or clinical? I suppose your are not going clinical bc you are not enrolled in a US med school. are you guaranteed to be a co-auther? also, why go to the US and do research, and spend all that extra money, time and effort when you prolly can do research at your home institution, useful connection is also minimum considering most surgeons dont do real bench research.
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It's a great opportunity, a huge effort and I'm sure it will be a big step in my carreer.
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whatever it is,......what matter is that u will be at JOHN HOPKINS,.....a big name...gud luck
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.. am i late for electives in the month of nov and december..i still am in the process of getting my applications rigth..my friend who got electives have adviced me to try for the jan and feb..please help me how to go about it..i have got forms signed by my dean for the month of nov/dec..please help.. am i late
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dunno, but the secretary from Cleveland clinic adviced me to apply for the period january-march 'cause that's the time when the american students dont take the competitive electives and that's the time when you have a shot at them. hope it helps.
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so if there are no slots then my application will not be accepted...can i send email to coordinator asking for later months.. 
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ManuNastai, I'm sure you were cautious about finding the right PI. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
I’ve seen a few students got burned bc they didn’t spend time on finding a good mentor instead just went directly to big institutions or whomever published the most, this sometimes will not work to your advantage. For one, some PIs just recruit students for lab slaves, run gels, gather data etc, and don’t put your name on the paper nor teach you about the method and the way of thought, so you might end up spending time and effort in a project without really being involved.
Research is not for everyone, you really have to love what you are doing otherwise it sucks a$$, especially if the outcome is not guaranteed to be publishable, all the sweat could end up for nothing. Well not nothing, hopefully you will learn to conduct unbiased research and learned how to think, but it might not be able to strengthen your CV.
My advice is to start with something simple then move your way up. For me, right now im doing stereology with a world leading PI in this area at a neuro lab, the institution is small but its very student friendly. This is the fundament of almost ALL the translational research out there, whenever you need to measure the dynamic changes of tissue or to quantify anything for that matter, you need stereology, and because many people don’t know how to utilize stereology correctly, this will make me a real asset.
If you are a beginner keep your expectations low so you wont get disappointed, your name might not be on the paper, the work might be tedious (believe me I know, I count cells lol), but its very rewarding once you gather enough exp to do your own research and pursue whatever interest you the most.
Edited by Jackofknives on 06/14/07 - 10:30 PM
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