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I wanted to write this message because i've seen some people saying in this and other forums that the I.Q. is what really makes the difference at the end, with your patients or even during the USMLE steps. Of course, there are many other factors (like your personality, etc) and there are other kind of intelligences (emotional, etc.) which also play an important role.
So, i wanted to make a brief review about it.
There have been various classification systems for IQ.
Terman's classification was (6):
IQ Range Classification
140 and over Genius or near genius
120-140 Very superior intelligence
110-120 Superior intelligence
90-110 Normal or average intelligence
80-90 Dullness
70-80 Borderline deficiency
Below 70 Definite feeble-mindedness
Terman wrote the Stanford-Binet test (1), which has a SD of 16.)
Later, Wechsler thought that it would be much more legitimate to base his classifications on the Probable Error (PE) so his classification was (6):
Classification IQ Limits Percent Included
Very Superior 128 and over 2.2 (-PE)
Superior 120-127 - 6.7
Bright Normal 111-119 - 16.1
Average 91-110 - 50
Dull Normal 80-90 - 16.1
Borderline 66-79 - 6.7
Defective 65 and below 2.2
Some famous people's I.Q.:
Galileo Galilei: 185; Einstein: 160; Charles Darwin: 165; Mozart: 165; Copernicus: 160; Nietzsche: 180.
Some averages:
Philosophers: 160; Scientists: 159; Fiction writers: 159; Musicians: 149; Artists: 153.
I hope you enjoy/like this brief review 
ANY COMMENT OR ADDITIONAL INFO is welcome people!
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Once I have read in the psychology textbook that US want to suck in people with only highest IQs from other countries - they can't do it by administering real IQ tests (you have mentioned them above) - it would be unjustified discrimination - so, they are selecting people by standartised tests (GRE, GMAT, and so on), which are actully camouflaged IQ tests - I guess you can easily find some features of this even in the USMLE!
by the way - from all US presidents Bill Clinton has the highest IQ, George W. Bush - the lowest one .
Edited by p53 on 04/09/06 - 12:54 PM
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| chemamr
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hey, i found this info about US presidents.
The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:
147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)
The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest IQ, at 155. President G. W. Bush was rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91. The six Democrat presidents had IQs with an average of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126. No president other than Carter (D) has released his actual IQ, 176.
I guess it's easy to believe the IQ of the current US president (as you say in a hidden way p53).
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| general malaise
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george bush a 91? doesn't surprise me.
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any other comment/complain/opinion/etc.?? 
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| chemamr
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another data:
68% of people score between 80 and 120.
95% of people score between 70 and 130.
(imagine the bell's curve)
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| bbb
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I was surprised that Bush's was that high.
I wonder what mine is?
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| karusmle
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definetly even i doubt bush's IQ , it must be lower than that .............
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| babli
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chemamr since you have a good source of data collection can you give I.Q. of people around the world cuntrywise?
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| chemamr
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Adolf Hitler Nazi leader Germany 141
Al Gore Politician USA 134
Albert Einstein Physicist USA 160
Arnold Schwarzenegger Actor Austria 135
Benjamin Franklin Writer, scientist & politician USA 160
Benjamin Netanyahu Israeli Prime Minister Israel 180
Bill Gates CEO, Microsoft USA 160
Blaise Pascal Mathematician & religious philosopher France 195
Bobby Fischer Chess player USA 187
Bonaparte Napoleon Emperor France 145
Buonarroti Michelangelo Artist, poet & architect Italy 180
Carl von Linné Botanist Sweden 165
Charles Darwin Naturalist England 165
Charles Dickens Writer England 180
Dolph Lundgren Actor Sweden 160
Donald Byrne Chess Player Irland 170
Felix Mendelssohn Composer Germany 165
Friedrich Hegel Philosopher Germany 165
Galileo Galilei Physicist & astronomer & philosopher Italy 185
Garry Kasparov Chess player Russia 190
Geena Davis Actress USA 140
George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) Writer England 160
Hillary Clinton Ex-President wife USA 140
Immanuel Kant Philosopher Germany 175
James Watt Physicist & technician Scotland 165
Jodie Foster Actor USA 132
Johann Sebastian Bach Composer Germany 165
Johann Strauss Composer Germany 170
John Stuart Mill Universal Genius England 200
Jonathan Swift Writer & theologian England 155
Joseph Haydn Composer Austria 160
Judith Polgar Chess player Hungary 170
Leonardo da Vinci Universal Genius Italy 220
Lord Byron Poet & writer England 180
Ludwig van Beethoven Composer Germany 165
Madonna Singer USA 140
Martin Luther Theorist Germany 170
Miguel de Cervantes Writer Spain 155
Nicolaus Copernicus Astronomer Poland 160
Nicole Kidman Actor USA 132
Plato Philosopher Greece 170
Ralph Waldo Emerson Writer USA 155
Raphael Artist Italy 170
Rembrandt van Rijn Artist Holland 155
René Descartes Mathematician & philosopher France 185
Richard Wagner Composer Germany 170
Robert Byrne Chess Player Irland 170
Rousseau Writer France 150
Shakira Singer Colombia 140
Sharon Stone Actress USA 154
Sir Isaac Newton Scientist England 190
Stephen W. Hawking Physicist England 160
Voltaire Writer France 190
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Composer Austria 165
Edited by chemamr on 04/12/06 - 05:33 PM
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i hope you like babli.
that's what i found. they are in alphabetic order for a faster review.
i think they are interesting data.
I found another classification for high IQs:
Genius IQ is generally considered to begin around 140 to 145, representing ~.25% of the population (1 in 400). Here's a rough guide:
115-124 - Above average (e.g., university students)
125-134 - Gifted (e.g., post-graduate students)
135-144 - Highly gifted (e.g., intellectuals)
145-154 - Genius (e.g., professors)
155-164 - Genius (e.g., Nobel Prize winners)
165-179 - High genius
180-200 - Highest genius
>200 - "Unmeasurable genius"
So, as far as i know, the most intelligent person on earth has been Leonardo Da Vinci with a 220 = Unmeasurable genius. Wow!!! 
Edited by chemamr on 04/12/06 - 06:04 PM
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| babli
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Thank you chemamr.quite interesting.I like them.What's my I.Q. if i don't know half of them?
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| chemamr
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hey guys, try this:
http://uk.tickle.com/test/iq/start.html
if you don't mind you could type your IQ result here. We know it's an approx but it can be funny.
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| chemamr
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this test is fast and you can relax for a while after being reading all the whole day for these USMLE steps.
TRY IT PEOPLE and write your approx IQ here (no lies )
Edited by chemamr on 04/12/06 - 06:48 PM
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have you done it babli?
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ok here is my result.Your IQ score is 122!
Precision Processor
You've got a very experiential way of learning and a strong mathematical mind and you have mastered the art and science of precision. That's what makes you a Precision Processor. For you, life is a series of equations.
Your brain is naturally predisposed to intense mathematical acuity, so it's second nature for you to cut to the heart of an issue, to discover quick solutions while others get bogged down in unnecessary details. This allows you to communicate a variety of ideas to other people, so don't keep it to yourself.
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| chemamr
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ok, now mine.
My IQ score was 133. Visionary Philosopher.
Your mind's strengths allow you to think ahead of the game -- to imagine or anticipate what should happen next in just about any situation. Because you're equally skilled in the numerical and verbal universes of the brain, you can draw from multiple sources of information to come up with new ideas and this makes you a Visionary Philosopher.
You also have a knack for matching and anticipating patterns in all sorts of situations, a talent that adds to your visionary philosopher mind.
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hey guys,
heres mine. atleast i have good IQ (comparing my step 1 preparation)
Your IQ score is 142!
Your mind's strengths allow you to think ahead of the game -- to imagine or anticipate what should happen next in just about any situation. Because you're equally skilled in the numerical and verbal universes of the brain, you can draw from multiple sources of information to come up with new ideas and this makes you a Visionary Philosopher.
You also have a knack for matching and anticipating patterns in all sorts of situations, a talent that adds to your visionary philosopher mind.
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| p53
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'Today, informal online IQ tests are popular, but they are at best rough approximations. Most of these tests are not expert certified and notable limitations include a small number of questions and a lack of the time limit.'
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_Quotien...
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Other data . It's just general information.
140 Top Civil Servants; Professors and Research Scientists.
130 Physicians and Surgeons; Lawyers; Engineers (Civil and Mechanical)
120 School Teachers; Pharmacists; Accountants; Nurses; Stenographers; Managers.
110 Foremen; Clerks; Telephone Operators; Salesmen; Policemen; Electricians.
100+ Machine Operators; Shopkeepers; Butchers; Welders; Sheet Metal Workers.
100- Warehousemen; Carpenters; Cooks and Bakers; Small Farmers; Truck and Van Drivers.
90 Laborers; Gardeners; Upholsterers; Farmhands; Miners; Factory Packers and Sorters.
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jesus abs!, that's a very good score: 142 = highly gifted. 
you'll crush/ace your step 1, good luck with it!!
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Everybody thinks that Albert Einstein's IQ was very high, but this is definitely not the case, his adult IQ was just above 160. He was definitely a genius, but this was not primarily due to his IQ, but his amazing level on transcendental thinking. Transcendental (= raised, sublime) thinking means that he can raise his thinking (i.e. the paths it takes) above the ordinary level. Basically it means that he was extremely creative and imaginative. An IQ score is a combination of brain speed and brainpower. You have a certain amount of time to take an IQ test, but if you don't mind the time and just make the test and take more time than allowed, you can score up to 30 points higher. So Albert Einstein's IQ was just above 160 (which is also very high) but he takes his time and he raises his thinking to an amazing level and then you can compare him to somebody with an IQ of 200. So Einstein had a lot of brainpower but his brain speed compared to brainpower was low.
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'Persons whose IQs fall on the extreme right-hand side are generally classified as gifted.
A quality related to both intelligence and giftedness is creativity, which can be defined as the ability to produce valued outcomes in a novel way. Creativity is related to intelligence, but the correlation is far from perfect. In general, intelligence in a particular area seems to be a necessary condition for creativity but not a sufficient one. Individuals with IQs below 120 are less likely to display creative thinking than those with a higher IQ, but above 120, the correlation between intelligence and creativity is essentially zero.'
from 'Psychology: Mind, Brain, & Culture', by Drew Westen.
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nice post p53 about creativity, one of the key factors of I.Q.
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Marilyn Savant has an I.Q. score of 228, the highest ever recorded for an adult. Savant's parents decided to withhold the information from the public in order to avoid commercial exploitation and to assure a normal childhood. Bored with college life at Washington University, she left after two years to launch a career in stocks, real estate, and investments. Her real interest had always been writing but realized that she first needed a financial base to support herself. Within five years, her personal investments afforded her the financial independence to become a full-time writer. Savant wrote novels, short stories, and magazine/newspaper pieces, mostly political satire, under a pseudonym. Savant's attempt at anonymity ended in 1985 when the Guinness Book of World Records obtained her I.Q. test scores from the Mega Society, a group whose membership is restricted to those with only the highest I.Q. scores.
So, this is the person with the highest IQ score (228) ever reported for an adult. The other person would be Da Vinci but we have the limitation that we didn't have this kind of test in the time period when Da vinci lived, however they estimate an approx. 220.
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