abdlsy
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All US citizens, GC holders: Must Read #69655 holmes - 01/10/06 21:57 To: U.S. Lawmakers
DOL (Department of Labor) has clear regulations that US citizens and permanent residents are to be considered for vacant positions before such vacancies are offered to applicants from abroad.
In most fields, obtaining an H1B visa is a very difficult process and stringent conditions apply before an H1B petition is approved. In medicine it is just the opposite.
Administrators of hospital residency programs, in contravention of DOL rules and regulations, are routinely offering vacant positions to foreign medical graduates (FMGs) not living in the US without first attempting to fill such vacancies with qualified candidates residing within US borders.
Hospital residency positions, including internships, are filled through a centralized electronic application system. Anyone, anywhere in the world with internet access can use this system to apply for hospital residency positions. This allows applicants from abroad to apply at the same time as US citizens and permanent residents.
Since the number of applicants from abroad far outnumber US citizens and permanent residents applying for each vacancy, qualified US citizens and permanent residents are frequently never interviewed for some positions which ultimately are given to non-resident foreign applicants who are then supplied with H1B visas enabling them to work as physicians in the US.
Hospitals are therefore determining who receive visas. Screening of these H1B recipients is minimal at best as hospitals are virtually unfettered in sponsoring H1B visas for candidates they hire from abroad.
Hospitals receive federal, city and state funds from tax dollars, yet citizens and permanent residents residing in the US who contribute these tax dollars are being outnumbered and ignored.
There are currently thousands of unemployed, qualified graduates of foreign medical schools; both US citizens and permanent residents; residing in the US capable of filling these vacancies.
Only after all US citizens and permanent residents who apply are found not suitable, should programs be free to hire non-resident applicants. To interview and subsequently employ non-resident applicants without first interviewing US citizens and permanent resident applicants in order to ascertain their suitability, is utter disregard for US labor laws.
This practice is dangerous in that doctors provided with H1B visas in this manner are not screened as thoroughly as other prospective immigrants are. This practice must be stopped outright.
Please sign this petition and help safeguard the health and safety of our communities.
I ask your help to ensure that:
1.Current laws are respected and enforced.
2.Applicants are appropriately screened before being provided with H1B visas.
3.Regulations stipulating that vacant positions be offered to qualified US citizens and permanent residents before attempting to fill such vacancies with applicants from abroad are complied with.
There are already thousands of qualified, unemployed foreign medical graduates residing in the USA capable of filling these vacancies. Why take this unnecessary risk?
Please visit new.petitiononline.com/Standish/petition.html ;sign the petition and forward copies of this petition to your Congressmen, Senators, City and State representatives, newspapers, radio stations and civic organizations in your state.
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| Agrada
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Thanx
I'm a US citizen foreign medical graduate, this should be the rule.
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| Budlight
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Okay, not that i disrespect the law, but the Foreign workers are paying double the taxes and contributing much more to the US economy by working twice as hard!
This after they get the best scores among people of their country and overcome the various limitations to get here. On top of that, The concept of Immigrant America from what i know is based on the fact that people who are fierce and competitive come here to achieve the best for them and for this great Nation. Some of the Great minds are Children of Immigrants, infact 90% of you who signed this petition are children of Immigrants, Learn to Survive in the Real world like your parents.
If u were a program director, you would also pick a person who is more efficient at the job! I am sure Capable US folks are out there working. Its not flipping burgers at Micky D's to choose just anyone.
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| dharjma
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never heard of an american citizen not getting a residency after scoring above 78. and really, it takes no genius to score that. except maybe not getting interviews from mgh and bidmc. maybe the author didnt get interviews due to less than stellar scores?
i guess this feeling stems from insecurity. this is ironinc especially in a country who has 25% of the healthcare system run by foreigners. it should be somewhat thankful that quite a number of cream of the crop doctors from other countries are willing to go thru the hassle of applying for a residency.
every year 16 000 americans and 1100 FMG us citizens graduate and apply for 25 000 residency spots. if you ban foreigners that would equate to over 6000 empty slots and over 6 billion less funding per year from the government for medical institutions. so think before shooting off against h1-b applying fmgs. realise that as much as the applicant gains, the country gains a heck of a lot too. remember while youre giving someone an opportunity to enjor your country's prosperity, youre gaining a doctor, not a thug, gangster, druggie. its the easiest way to gain doctors for usa, considering the fact med school spots have hardly increased with population increments in the last 20 years. so really, dont punish your country and its citizens just because youre unable to compete in a more globalised setting. shame shame...
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| abdlsy
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Dear dharjma, probably you misunderstood the author, he is not suggesting ban H1 visa, what he simply means is US citizens or green card holders should be given the priority in selection as they pay taxes etc. I am not sure where budlight got this info that Foreigners pay double the taxses, its totally false. But thats true, everybody has the right to his opinion.But in the end fact remains that still majority of program directors prefer uS CITIZENS AND GREEN CARD HOLDERS, AS THEY PREFER NOT TO GOT thru this difficult J1/H 1 process, its a hassle for them, as I personally know 2 PD's in Massachussetts and newyork.The author just wanted to make a point thats all and I agree everybody should be considred on Merit. But on the other hand I guarantee dharjma even you will not tolerate if it happened in your country of origin, USA is still very open to Globalised setting, so no shame just work hard and compete, dont be insecure you will get an opportunity god willing.
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| Budlight
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Dude, thats an expression and im sure the H1 guys are paying equal if not less share of taxes! besides, honestly, I dont think its happening as badly as its potrayed in that petition. Program directors themselves say what matters is Schools, Scores and Visas!
I guess its easier to complain. Also what did they mean by Applicants Appropriately screened? before getting H-1 visas?isnt that the job of the US embassies around the world!? ? also, the concept of thousands of "qualified" unemployed American Doctors really beats me!
Thousands! i mean cmmon man!
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| docofthebigapple
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I do not agree with ABDLSY. Why should a student with higher scores who studied in a med school outside USA and in this situation also doesn't have either a green card or citizenship from USA be rejected over a student who has lower scores and has a green card or citizenship.
This is to say that the residency programs should lower their expectations just because they have been "legally forced" to accept GC/citizens.
Think of what happens over the next 25 years if this goes into effect.
There will be doctors treating your children who weren't expected to perform to higher standards because they already were in the USA. They knew that they did not have to study harder to become a doctor because they will be accepted into a residency position easily.
Just extrapolate this thought into another few decades and imagine where the clinical scene will go.
Residency positions accept IMGs because IMGs are the product of the investment of another country. Does anyone realise the economics of how much a third world government invests in the education of a physician?
Yes the situation where a program has to choose between 2 students with EQUAL academic performances, they should prefer the one already "in".
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| cindrella man
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Just think it this way that if you are a US citizen/resident..u have a family and a house here for many years..you work hard to pass the exam and someone else from outside comes and takes your job, how would u feel about it? Also as dharjma said
"never heard of an american citizen not getting a residency after scoring above 78. and really, it takes no genius to score that"
it is very inappropriate to say this....how many IMGs on this forum are struggling to pass..u can see that.Low scores doesnt mean that they would be bad physician.It all depends on your practical training. One more thing...the US citizens/ residents are not all natives...most of them are IMGs and your own countrymen.Im sure native Americans have no problem in getting residency in US.These are resident/citizen IMGs who face problems.
The point abdsly making here is that those who are already in US should be given a chance. Ofcourse no body is against giving the visa to IMGs outside US. They also deserve it.But the issue is who needs more?
Edited by cindrella man on 01/26/06 - 02:59 PM
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