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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/13...
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| sanz
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Very interesting. Being a medical graduate from the UK and having worked there a couple years, I must say that the working condition in the UK is a lot better compared to residency here. We had 56 hours a week working hour policy 
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| genedoc
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I completely disagree.. I think discrimination has been extremely prevalent in UK as well as Australia (having worked in both the countries) since the "immigration" policies are extremely different..US fundamentally depends on immigrants for jobs, research and productivity and the US constitution has been founded on these policies..UK and australia on the other hand are too proud and view immigrants only as "dependents"...And I dont think working hour policies are the most decisive factors when in comes to a happy environment.
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| sanz
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I dont mean to say NHS and the medical system in the UK is without flaws. I suppose everyone has different experience. I didnt feel I was being discriminated at all and totally love it there. I agree working hours is not the only factor when it comes to a happy env but it sure is a perk!
Edited by sanz on 01/02/06 - 09:18 PM
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| katzung
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UK has given me a job and money to fulfill my dream of training myself in USA in exchange to my skills,i would remember that thru out my life and would honour it.
But the hypocrites running MMC shit (modernising medical careers) are making a mistake of throwing off the PLAB doctors into dustbin without even considering their plight,one might ask who asked PLAB doctors to take plab and come to UK,ut one also needs to ask who asked GMC to continue basing more and more PLAB centers in Asia thruout.
Fault also lies with our politicians who r allowing these Smartassed people to make money by allowing them to conduct exams with hefty charges.
And ofcourse hundreds of crappy private medical colleges(Not all of them r crappy,no offence) which r being allowed to open up in India just for few crores of bribe.
God knows whom to blame and whom not to!!!!
But this is life people need to learn their own lesson,I am completely dissillusioned with evrything.
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| ssandhu112
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i completly agree with katzung.som eo my frnds had to go back to india after more than 1 yr without job in uk.thats crazy
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| sanz
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There are also many IMGs who go unmatched each year for residency here and the situation is crazy too. I feel that in the UK, one can at least work as a locum unlike here where even tho the person might have done all 3 USMLE Steps, one cant work and earn till residency.
Be it UK or US, it is always harder for the foreign graduates to get a job. It is totally understandable that they protect and favour their own graduates. We can either be bitter about this or we can motivate ourselves to try our best. There has been many before us who had made it into the systems and there will be many more. I believe we can do it too
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| ssrpk
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well said sanz, and i totally agree with ur last statement, plight of foreign doctors won't end regarding unemployment , be it UK or USA, for one reason or the reason, however the choice is ours and it depends on which side we want to stay and by making the right decisioin we too can make a difference.
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| drkill
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I think all system not without flaws.but as i saw this discussion of UK vs USA i wonder....why r we running to these countries in the first place if its so tuff out here? dont u think the plight of docs in our own countries the real culprit? these countries may not b fair to foreign grads but they r fishing out the best deal for their own.what abt our own countries...?
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| genedoc
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I agree with dr Kill.
Like any other country, India also needs specialists to treat its complex problems..as such its more logical to increase the MD/MS seats and train fine doctors rather than screwing them with less than 20% of MBBS graduates matching for a residency spot..DNBs in many places are paid NO STIPEND for > 80 hours/week services...
Our own countries have ignored and marginalised fine doctors inspite of a very high demand and everyone is unhappy... american system is a little unfair only because there are so many FMGs applying for a single spot that it really has become a lottery system.
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| katzung
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katzung wrote:
Fault also lies with our politicians who r allowing these Smartassed people to make money by allowing them to conduct exams with hefty charges.
And ofcourse hundreds of crappy private medical colleges(Not all of them r crappy,no offence) which r being allowed to open up in India just for few crores of bribe.
God knows whom to blame and whom not to!!!!
But this is life people need to learn their own lesson,I am completely dissillusioned with evrything.
drkill wrote :
''I think all system not without flaws.but as i saw this discussion of UK vs USA i wonder....why r we running to these countries in the first place if its so tuff out here? dont u think the plight of docs in our own countries the real culprit? these countries may not b fair to foreign grads but they r fishing out the best deal for their own.what abt our own countries...? ''
i cannot agree more buddy.
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| doc_droc_apurva
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woa what a tinderbox i ignited - prodigal firestarter
a friend and i both started preparin for plab and mle respectively 1 yr ago. he went to uk 9 months ago. he was back in india preparin for mle before i came here in nov...
uk currently has zero scope for docs. even less than india i believe
the problem in india is also of finances. which country doesnt want to make room for more residents? but residents have to be paid too. in a third world country like india where health is heavily subsidised - there a limited seats the govt can sponsor out of its meagre healthcare budget. plus ofcourse the politicians need to have their fill - corruption is the grease that makes govt machinery go around - every single where. i dont blame em (i hope one of em is readin and has a vacant externship spot
maybe the way out is making all medical colleges and their attached hospitals autonomous as non profit institutions like here in the usa. but then healthcare costs which go onto the patient will spiral outta control like here.
so its either the devil or the deep blue sea
or we cud take uncle sam for his generosity. but not forget to give back from we come. i personally plan to keep aside 5% of my earnings and give it back to my med school thru the gr8 alumni association we have. i cant afford more bcoz i probably wont become an interven cards like u folks
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| drkill
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well actually speakin of india in particular...believe it or not it has more money than u think on the health budget...I wont say how i know just lets say somebody in my family works in taht field with the gov.the budget each yr is HUGE ! but neither the docs nor the patients ever see the benefit of that money.low salaries for health care professionals n bad services for ppl.not to mention the negativity n frustration that creates for both parties.all the money is going to ministers n theri swiss bank accts i guess. the country has a lot of resources just no system to use them
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| ssrpk
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well guyz, the sketch that u hv created about ur country is'nt much different from mine, am ur neighbor and we have quite similar kind of problems, but lets not keep on blaming the system or politicians or medical boards per se; that won't give us no good, rather we should be pinpointing our own weaknesses and make our ways thru this so very much impartial system...
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well said boss
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| pathdevo
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i am also one of those who has faced uk and us struggle,and its true that its our choice and we really cant blame anyone for anything
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