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brokenhearted wrote:
Hey bbb,
Can you plz tell me what are the chances to get residency if you score in 70's in steps 1st attempt,pass step 2cs,no visa rewuired....do 1month observership & some research work......what are the chances to get residency in this condition within chicago area....?....ur help will be appreciated.
Sorry, but I don't give chances like a bookie in Vegas. Too many variables, including how much you want it. As for Chicago area? How would I know that?
Good luck.
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| bbb
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msyamp wrote:
..... I am really scared how this is possible not to get matched with scores both in 90s. may be the programs they chosed!!?? or their other credentials? We the next coming batch for 2007 are now in desperate position. ...
Could be interview skills? Personality? There are so many, many different reasons why candidates with great scores are unmatched. We could start a book!
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| msyamp
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hmmm. That answers my question. but my tension headache hasnt gone.
Any way thank you very much BBB. I will try my luck. I hope all other factors are fine with me.
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| renu
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hi
let me add why I accepted a prematch. I wanted pathology. Right from the time I applied i read in the forums that Pathology is not for Imgs ..AMGs are favored . So the insecurity from day one and as a backup applied in 20 IM and 20 Peds programs. I was looking for H1 VISAS . You wont believe that I called all Pathology programs to ask their requirements. I have already done Patho residency in my country but I have no USCE. Not because I DIDNT TRY TO FIND ONE BUT NOONE HAD THE TIME TO SUPERVISE ME...this is in Northern CA. Finally I have 27 programs in patho which sponsor h1 and no USCE required. I have not written step 2 and step3 at the time of application.
I get 5 interviewsin patho and after i reach for one interview the PC tells me this year no h1 so left with 4 interviews. At third interview offered prematch without step3. I have 6 interviews in IM and Peds but I want Pathology. So i will be ranking just 4 in match. What are my chances to match? (98/93/passed with 4interviews)
Shall I wait another year to get into University program and depend on my husband financially( dependent visa) ..in short have him the upperhand in everything! No, I dont want that.
So I take the prematch even though i know its not the place i deserve/want.
If i put myself in an AMG'S shoes, how will I feel if my own country cant give me the security of a good life!
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| Mark77
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Hello all . . . have been finding all the info here so useful and I truly appreciate it.
I was hoping that someone had some good advice about getting preliminary surgery positions and if prematching is the only way to get it for us IMGs. It amazed me when I saw all but one categorical position filled by match day, and how many prelim positions were still available. Do these generally go to categorical applicants who sramble for them? Or is it actually possible (or even "easy" as some have said) to land those remaining spots? I know residents can get stuck in limbo trying to get positions after that prelim year, but I would be happy to just be doing anything that can help me move one step further.
I guess my question is if anyone knows hospitals who utilize the prematch for their preliminary positions, and if it actually is possible for an IMG without great credentials to get them.
Thanks so much for all the help . . . these forums have been such a blessing and such great group therapy!!!
Good luck to you all!
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| katzung
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Hi Guyz and Galz,
I didnot accept prematches as i always wanted to be trained in a university programme and the backup job in UK gave me enough confidence that even if i didnot get matched i would still be getting trained in UK and would at the end of my day achieve my goal
IT WOULD HAVE PROVED DISASTROUS LOOKING AT SUDDEN VISA RULE CHANGES IN UK,IT WAS NOT IN PLACE DURING MY INTERVIEW TIME!!!!-NOT EVEN A CLUE-THE ENGLICH WAY OF BACKSTABBING!!!-AS IT HAS BEEN ALWAYS.
anywayz- one person made a big diffrence in my decision and that was BBB,when i asked for the advice on this forum bbb had replied that match is good go for match ''
and that finally tilted my decision to go for match-even though i agree it was a big risky gamble to take i took it up on my own will.
But having recieve such good prematch offers during my initial interview season itself gave me confidence to do well in remaining interviews and getting encouraging e-mails from some PDs' despite having refused prematch made me think they will definetly match me(dont know if they ranked me or not!!!)
Nywayz it proved to be a nice gamble which worked out in my favour so atleast for me match is good go for match.
I have heard double 99's not matching and i have seen one example myself this year,but belive me getting a residency has got many variables including ur interview skills ur presentation how u carry urself apart from ur scores.
As far as mark77's question goes it is easier than categorical surgery to get into prilim surgery but to get into categorical position is difficult but not impossible-given u have good scores (means >95).Good Luck
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| Mark77
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Thanks Katzung . . . I will do my best to at least get a preliminary position because I don't think I have a shot at categorical. My scores are low 77/80, but I am a citizen with some USCE, LORs, and will be graduating this year. I just hope I can get my foot in the door somewhere to make a fresh start.
I would accept a prematch in surgery, but I would wait for the match for something in primary care. I might need to do something else for a year but that is also fine by me.
Thanks again and congrats for your achievements!
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| mich
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Hi. Where do you find a list of programs that do not participate in the match and how do you go about applying to them?
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| bbb
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There isn't an official list.....
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| Moozy
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i am in the group pf people who will accept prematch.... to be honest, i think that all three places that i am going to interview next month are pretty good programs and a prematch offer by them will be the best thing happening to me.. i donot have 99 scores that I should expect myself to be matched in better places...
Unitil yesterday i was absolutely convinced that I am fine with J1 visa only.. but i am now confused as to wether i will be issued a J1 or not because i live in UK and I am not sure about proving ties to UK.. i hope other ppl on forum like katzung, bharatphoenix can be of help
And most importantly, i value bbbs advice
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| ngt
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hey guys this is a very interesting discussion.
my goal is to try to get into a university program or university affiliated. maybe i am a little bit risky here, but my thinking now is go to the match. the reasons are that i always thought this was what most people do and only learnt recently from prematch positions. Also I dont want to be pressured for a decision and some of the programs that I am most interested dont offer such a position anyway.
i understand the hassle that one would avoid signing a prematch, but i believe the match is rather a fair game (and would be completely fair if prematches were not allowed at all).
anyway, this is my opinion and I realize there is no right/wrong answer here and respect as much who goes to the match and who signs a contract before.
good luck, ngt.
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| dev
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Dear bbb and others
I always wanted to say something on the subject. As a person who is doing the whole thing second time. I like match and I thought match would be the best thing for me last year. I had ranked 10 programs and as was the standard idea thought I would match . BUt here I am applying again, attending again.........
This year I applied pretty realistically and told all the programs I interviewed at that I am interested in prematch, Cause I have come to a decision that a bird in hand is worth 2 in bush. I would go for match but I have my own issues to deal with.......
If every program went to match, it would have been the best thing. Alas not going to happen...
so I am sure I am going to compromise and make lemonade when given lemons.
my only regret will be that I didnt meet bbb and molly during the interview trail
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| katzung
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Hey moozy i already sent u a pm saying that getting a J1 issued in UK is not a problem at all,dont worry about J1 issual from UK it is very easy.
Goodluck.
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| arachnoiditis
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insecurity......thats the reason....
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| babydoc4usmle
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good day, morning, evening to everyone on this forum
i am not in the position for pre-match or match, but i will face it one day (i am working hard on it).
i have read about AMGs and IMGs with scored highly in USMLE, with whole bunch of credentials (especially AMGs, but to my greatest surprise - IMGs). and so many of these bright people are not getting any offers from programs, or even called for interview.
and here I am - IMG, over 5 years from graduation, no clinical experience in the US (like someone noted, it is close to imposible to find a job in medical field, if you didn't graduate here), no one to support financially (had to work in places far from medicine to survive)...well you get the picture... so where does it leave people like me?
and i have no idea how to improve my credentials (to get into externship or something of that sort)...and i have no idea where to get LOR, because i don't have clinial experience and we back in square 1...no one wants people like me....
and still here i am sitting my butt off to score high in USMLE (not fact that i will, but at least i know i did everything), but what next? do i have a chance in this race? and i am sure there are more people with the same problem.
do you have an advice, BBB?
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| Isther
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A Prematch is a completely legal job offer... the idea that only lousy programs offer one is not true. Each applicant has to analyze the offer based on his/her expectations of a career, and then make the call. Some are looking for a top program, others just want to start working, etc, etc.
The true answer of why applicants accept a prematch is... because they considered the best for them under the circumstances.
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| blizkonebe
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i had two interviews - both huge uni progs in FM...
i would have had trouble ranking them b'se they were almost equal - one had a geographical advantage...
when i was approached for a pre-match; it was a no-brainer! i had to play the odds!!!
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| medocuk
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I am totally impressed by your input and hard work. Also thank you so much for your effort here.
bbb wrote:
But most hospitals know IMG's - their IM residencys have 40%-60% IMGs - it's not an unknown entity. Even some of the university programs (I am talking about IMG friendly programs - not the ones that haven't seen the light).
But these answers will give my PD a little more insight into where you are all coming from.
Good luck all!
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