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The q is- are there more applicants , or just the applicants apply to so many programs .. probably both.
Here is another example of rejection, which clearly says about applicants #:
"Thank you for your interest in the Johns Hopkins Bayview Residency Program in Internal Medicine. Your application has been reviewed by the Intern Selection Committee and by the Program Directors. Unfortunately we are not able to offer you an interview for a residency position in our program. While I know you will be disappointed by this decision, please understand that we receive over 1,200 applications for only 18 first-year positions and that many bright and talented individuals are declined an interview here".
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It's strange and true - applications are up - waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy up! Tomorrow, when I download, I should have more applications than I had through all of last season!  It's true - I am insane!
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| katzung
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I guess its a tough year and i wont be surprised if match % goes down this year!!!
 ,hey bbb where ru getting all these applications from?
India or UK or Eastern Europe? where?
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I hope ERAS will learn something from this year experience. If no, next year this trend will continue and the system will be collapsing. Imagine that a 10 positions IM Program which this year received 2000 applications, next year will receive maybe 4000. oh God. Also is easy to assume that an average candidate who this year had 1 invitation out of let's say 30 applications, next year will apply for sure to 100 programs.
So some changes must be made by ERAS after this Match.
Take care doctors.
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| K1
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good question Katzung. Very interesting to know where are these applications comming from.
And BBB, I want to continue asking you: Are this year more and more AMG applying to IM, in comparisson with last year?
Thanks a lot
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Here is my current breakdown - taking out the AMG's
Albania 1
Argentina 7
Armenia 7
Australia 2
Austria 3
Bahrain 3
Bangladesh 36
Belarus 5
Belize 9
Bolivia 1
Bosnia-Herzegovina 1
Brazil 16
Bulgaria 8
Burundi 1
Cameroon 1
Cayman Islands 12
China 61
Colombia 18
Costa Rica 1
Cuba 5
Czech Republic 3
Dominica 60
Dominican Republic 32
Ecuador 4
Egypt 57
El Salvador 2
Ethiopia 12
Fiji 1
France 2
Germany 7
Ghana 11
Greece 4
Grenada 37
Guatemala 2
Haiti 2
Hungary 13
India 1087
Indonesia 1
Iran 60
Iraq 29
Ireland 10
Israel 1
Italy 1
Jamaica 4
Japan 5
Jordan 81
Kenya 1
Latvia 3
Lebanon 79
Liberia 1
Libya 6
Lithuania 5
Malaysia 1
Mexico 22
Moldova 1
Morocco 3
Myanmar 5
Nepal 93
Netherlands Antilles 70
Nigeria 46
Other 4
Pakistan 235
Paraguay 2
Peru 40
Philippines 65
Poland 9
Portugal 1
Romania 52
Russia 29
Saint Kitts And Nevis 18
Saint Lucia 6
Senegal 15
Serbia 2
Slovak Republic 3
South Africa 1
South Korea 25
Spain 1
Sri Lanka 5
Sudan 19
Syria 107
Taiwan 3
Tajikistan 1
Thailand 34
Togo 1
Trinidad And Tobago 6
Turkey 13
Uganda 2
Ukraine 18
United Arab Emirates 1
United Kingdom 2
Uruguay 2
Uzbekistan 4
Venezuela 9
Viet Nam 3
Zambia 1
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| katzung
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india 1087
pakistan 235
so 2802 imgs total + around 500-1000 amgs hum!!!
there u go
thanks bbb,impressive statistics and these are for how many positions bbb?
Edited by katzung on 11/17/05 - 02:13 PM
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| ssandhu112
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thanks for the details bbb. indians r leading way ahead.i think eras needs to review its policies restricting the no of applications per candidate say to 50.than all will apply wisely rather than applying .to > 100 places without any thought.like the people with double 99 s ve done this yr.why ve they applied to so many places when after being flooded with interviews,they ll eventually cancel lots of them.they r depriving the average candidates of even single interview.i think these type of candidates should restrain from applying blindly to every program.i m sorry if i upset the double 99 s,but that has been the truth this yr.gl to u all
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yup i think ur right sandhu,other danger is that these 99's (i dont mean to offend anyone,scoring 99 is not easy and i salute their competence and ability)will only rank handfull of these programmes and they can only match at one place.
I belive u'll have lots of positions for scramble this year!!! for programmes might match good candidates but not the otherway round always.
Hope it doesnt turn out that programmes will have to run around during postmatch day to fill in slots,(it will be a god lesson to learn if that happens) but scramble is pure luck and not always based on competency of the candidates.
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| bobby
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bbb wrote:It's strange and true - applications are up - waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy up! Tomorrow, when I download, I should have more applications than I had through all of last season! It's true - I am insane!
oh my gosh.... all those applications for maybe less that 50 position? the work of a PC is way more difficult than we think........ downloading applications, responding to all the phone calls, given out information, sending out messages for the PD......etc
i now understand when bbb says "I am Insane"
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Sorry, but I won't give out the number of positions, because that would eliminate a lot of questions as to where I work. Bobby had a good answer - less than 50. That's as close as I come to the actual number!
And BBB will be enjoying a Korean dinner with one of her residents this evening. Going to check out a different resturant tonight. So I am out of here for the day!
p.s. ERAS isn't going to look at it's position on how many applications. Think of the money that they get for all these applications. Applicants should learn how to self govern. Besides, that's why I know that most of you are rich doctors!!!
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BBB, do a lot of Indian candidates haev UK experience or MRCPs? I know about three years ago the number of Indian students taking the plab and going to the UK quadrupled. Most of them have finished their mrcps and have relatively few opportunities in the UK. So, the US is the next step onwards. I dont know if this is purely anecdotal or represents a trend....any comments??
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rejection i recieved from englewood , nj drives home my point.they recieved 3000 applicatios for 13 pgy1 positions
Account Application Documents Programs Help
Message Dear Doctor:
We are in receipt of your application and at this time you have not been selected for an interview at Englewood Hospital and Medical Center in Engelwood, New Jersey.
Our program is very competitive and we interview over 400 applicants out of 3,000 applications and unfortunately we cannot interview all applicants.
We thank you for your interest in our program and wish you the best in your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Alexa Gottdiener, M.D.
Program Director
Department of Medicine
Englewood Hospital and Medical Center
Englewood, New Jersey 07631
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| njccmd2002
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BBB, you said you have "El Salvador 2", there arent that many applying for the match that I know of. I must have applied for your program, mmmmmhh..... I wonder, I only applied to 20.
I have a question for you. I have two interviews from the same Hospital, from FM and IM. I really have a lot of interest in both. Their program structure is what I want. They are very similar. Nice city, nice cost of living. Most programs nowadays ask where your interviews are. I dont want to lie, but i dont want to sound like im not interested.
How can i handle the questions?
- If i answer that i had interviewed for FM on their same hospital, i am very sure they will think i am not committed. but im really am.
But FM and IM are very similar, and I like both of them, similar opportunities and all. How can I Handle this? I mean, with todays competition we hve to apply to all areas possible. I want IM or FM, i am not applying to other specialties. Can anybody give me a clue as to how handle it.
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gita i dont think your assesment of people with mrcp is true,people who have finished plab are strruggling because of lack of jobs but people who have completed mrcp are getting nice registrar jobs,and are well placed.
But i think major chunck r coming frm India Because visa rules have been eased,and it is 20 times more easy to get visa from UK,but i know only handfull of my friends who r in UK coming over to USA.
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A fact is true: the number of applications has doubled or even tripled this year.
But are they better than last year ?
BBB would you please tell us if the percentage of 99/99 is increasing this year?
Also what about IMG with USCE, are more and more people having USCE?
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Yes - 99/99 used to be uncommon back when I first worked in residency (you know when it was legal for children to work in factories ). Now - it seems like every other person has it.
And a good way around the answer about interviews is a simple "yes, I do have a few other interviews in the area."
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All including PD's are looking for quality and not for quantity. Something is telling me that this year quantity has increased more rapidlly than quality. And all the selection processes including invitations, rejections and other things like that were slowed by this huge amount of canditates.
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you are probably right katzung.....
Competition cant be a bad thing for the programs. Hats off to the coordinators for managing this deluge. (applause for bbb here) .
We get caught up in the huge increase in the number of applications this year. So it goes...
Anybody read the NEJM article on FMGs in America?
gita
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| ssandhu112
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i agree with katzung.one of my frnd has done mrcp,gettin 4000 pounds per month.others who ve cleared plab only are struggling,thinkin of goin back to india.regarding no of applicants.i think its goin to increase with the comin yrs as more of the people will remain unmatched
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| mmoghbelli
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Guys about the 99 scores, I have seen it ALOT this year around interviews....and when I do I feel ashamed of my scores, but whats the real difference between 240 and 250? Im sure PD's and PC's see it, and I think that the events happening around your exam are more important than the scores, like Americans and that they have to go to school and rotations and ...while they take this exam. I have had a few directors tell me this, that my scores are not really bad...so I think other things take an emphasis, like USCE, and how well you would adapt into the system, thus the less emphasis on research, and more on other things....just a small thought...
BTW guys, Ive had 2 prematch offers, and Im serioulsy considering one, so maybe thatll empty 20 interview slots!
And BBB were not rich!!! AT least Im not, but thanks to credit cards, and to the fact that I have nightmares of not matching this year, not to mention nausea I get several times a day of the thought, we have to apply to lots of places where we think there is a chance of matching, I see it as in investment, my investment got me a 30% return....so I did good research I would think. But AMG's get the best return...close to 100% from what Ive seen here and there....and they apply to at least 10, to 30 programs on average, so to even up out odds, we have to apply 3 times as much as they do, thus why people apply to 100 programs, although I didnt, and thats just to make the odds more comparable...
Edited by mmoghbelli on 11/18/05 - 12:45 PM
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| ssandhu112
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good luck to u mmoghbelli, with ur credentials i think u ll get the best place u desired.scores do matter man.see this yr people in the 80 s are not gettin any interview calls thats cos the programs ve got a lot of applicants having 90 s.
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Oh Moghbelli - you know that it was tongue in cheek! I've worked with resident long enough to know about the salaries! At some point, you will be.
Good luck with the prematch offers - hold out for the strongest that you can get. I'm certain that you will do well.
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76 applications per position ok, that narrows the number of positions in your residency to 20-45.bbb
Right guys look out for a programme - Univ affil community programme in the prefrebly east/may be medwest of US which sponsors H1B.
We can norrow the no of programmes down to 20-30 may be.
Ok guys quick post the name of programmes here now!!! 
gottcha,bbb.
Edited by katzung on 11/18/05 - 01:22 PM
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Thanks BBB for the hope of a doctor being rich one day! The question is wether Ill have my own teeth or be in dentures by then...
I think strongest is not always best though BBB, I have seen some of these big name programs, and some act very mean, and at one I didnt even see the program director, and the residents told me that we didnt see him until we matched either...and they try to intimidate you, or as there own residents were saying pimp you out!!! So theres a jungle out there, esp. when some people have a lot of air in there heads that needs to be emptied....
Guys from another friend I talked to last night who is a cheif resident, he said that this year they have 35% more applicants than the previous year, so maybe the US has relaxed immigration laws, because whatelse could have happened?
Katzung, Im sure shes in the East Coast, but which program is it....Even univeristy programs rarely have 25-35 spots, except maybe New York Presbatyrian Columbia-Cornell....I think shes at Maimonades although someone already thought that and she denied it....whereelse?
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