fakhan
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policy of NBME is injustice for IMG,s.they extract cream from foriegn countries to fill mostly the recedencies and the programs which are less competetive(or to fill that places where they need doctors irrespective of although the IMG,s have higher score than us students)very few brilliant IMG,s got competetive and good recedencies or programs.want to say that americans get good recedencies with even just passing score while IMG,s if they only pass their is no place for them in america.now come to test .i can say the test is made for only US students that is why in year 2002 17000 passed out of 19000 in other words 17000 US students filled the good recedencies(2000 which remain they passed easily during their 2nd attempt)and left the bad recedencies (which even become more comititive for IMG,s)for IMG,s.now come to content of step 1 test.they test only that stuff(eg diseases which are commen in US and which are commenly well taught in thier schools)80% commen stuff so easy for US to pass.US medical students are not other world creatures or not so all geniuses that thier 90% passes it is the policies of american health policy which totally and totally favours them and these US students makes the mean and the merrit so high that it becomes difficult for IMG,s
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| fakhan
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and other injustices during visa processes(especially for pakistani,s)and other injustices wait thier for IMG,s if they go there
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| dharjma
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well lets not forget no one pressured us to that the usmle. america has to prioritise their tax payers and citizens first before anyone else. if they have a shortage of doctors only then they can open those spots to others. whether those spots are competitive or not, they didnt force anyone to apply to those spots.
the usmle tests things that are popular in the usa, because those are the things you are likely to see. there isnt much use to emphasise on malaria if youre only gonna see it in 1 in 5000 patients. i personally think its great the questions are designed to test understadning a lot more than memory. the questioning style seems very mature adn well developed.
there are 23 000 residency spots and 18 000 US grads a year (rough estimate of figures). if they allow a free for all competition with IMG, many US grads may not even get a place in their own country. wouldnt it then be a failed system? the policies to allow IMGs is to address the shortage of doctors in residencies, not to deprive their own graduates of spots.
that being said there have been IMGs in extremely prestigious universities doing highly competitive residencies. so really all isnt too gloomy. good luck my friend.
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| Smumtaz
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Well, its not being not justice. We have to realize that its VERY HARD to get the addmission in MEDICINE IN US, like you have to thru so many depression in a young age. They have to get good GPA all over, and good MCAT score and good ESSAYS and many things which we never think about that.
And while doing MEDICINE they can be easily kicked out when they will not perform good, after working so hard to get into it, and man they pay MONEY, more then any where in the WORLD as you can say in average.
If they will see that, they aren't getting a good job after SOOOOOOOO MANY HARD WORK in their OWN COUNTRY, then this is INJUSTICE.
What you can do??? you can be an AMG, HOW??? you are eligible to apply to get addmission on the basis of your diploma, give MCAT and try it or even you can do DO's.
HOW IS THAT???
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| fakhan
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hi
ok i agree that us make thier own policy as other country do.if they set open merit for admition then IMG,s got the places.but now come to point that america needs 200000 more doctors(although they already have 800000 doctors)according to david cooper director of health policy institute of mincosin.accoriding to him us needs more doctors due to aging and increase in wealth.they also need doctor in public hospitals especially in those those rural areas which are poor.unfortunate for IMGs is that US government emphassis more importance to private sectors and private clinincs to reduse their ecnomic burden(they spend 11 billion$ only for training medicle students )and other advantage is that they get more taxes from private sector.this policy is not good for themselves especially for poor people bcz clinics and insurance are very expensive for them.
ok now us needs 200000 doctors(the no increases year by year bcs 20 years ago there were only 500000 doctors)now come to the point that 20000 out of 36000 IMGs pass in year 2002 and they select only 7000(25000 minus 18000)and 13000 did not get place.why they not selected remaining 13000 students now if u say that recedencies becomes 38000 ,that is no matter bcz they need doctors atleast 200000.it doesnot become burden for them .it takes about 15years to full fill their reqiurements and also keep in mind that their need for doctors increases year by year(bcz doctors retire year by year,many of IMGs also left year by year due ti J1 visas,due to aging,increase in wealth as cooper said and other factors
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| dharjma
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from 2001 to 2005 there has been less than 6000 (about 5500) IMG's (non US residents foreign graduates) that applied for the match. consistently above 50% have matched, with the highest amount matched at 2003 and 2005 at 55.7%. canadian students have a 72% match rate. US citizens in foreign medical schools have 54.7% match rate. (which means, last year residencies rejected 948 of their own citizens studying in foreign med schools and took IMG's instead) so really friend, there is a 1 in 2 chance to get residencies if youre not picky and have good scores. these data does not include those that accepted prematch offers.
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| fakhan
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ok u r right ,but according to thier need they are not right.americans have very clever policies .for researchers phds and other creative fields they have IMGs friendly policiesUSA has simplified the immigration terms for foreign researchers so that a scientific institute or a university just picks the interested person, fills-in one form and asks for a visa. The sentence “We want this person, he is going to work on our project” is sufficient to obtain almost immediately a three-years-visa from any of the U. S. embassies, with an almost automatic possibility of extension.they collect the creative geniuses from all over world.but for medicle field they totaly totaly prefer US students
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| ujaala
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well it happens in every country i guess...every1 prefers their own ppl first , then look for others ..and the condition is alot better in US than many other places...
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| sairaharoonkhan
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I agree with Ujala......
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| fakhan
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hi
saira u scored above 97%(once i read urs post in resedency forum).now ask from those people who just passed that what they feel.reminds u that step1 is not easy, all those who pass this exam they are talented.all these talented people go vain.they passed the exam but (considered fail)( yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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| saimah
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FAKHAN ARE U IN PAKISTAN OR THE STATES?
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| fakhan
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pakistan y?
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| sairaharoonkhan
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I did not score above 97 meri jaan.... it must be some other Saira...I am a Pakistani too....my step 1 score is 76 (which is now giving me trouble,as many programs have an 80 cutoff!), & stp 2 CK score is 84,both st attempt...
Take care!!
Saira.
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| new_n_lost
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Dude Chill Out I m a Pakistani too thank god ur lucky stars that u have had the previlege to go to a Govt Medical college n pay approx Rs 20000per annum which is wht somewhere bw 300$ Cmon Dude grow up its so easy in our country to get in Medical College as compared to States n After graduating u did u get ur pay some $ 100 a month as an HO which i believe now is increased to $150. have u tried UK recently did u even talk to the ppl who have Come back from there cos they werent any positions available till 2009. if u r in Karachi then have u worked in AKU or gone in JPMC as a resident or HO try these institutions they will show u that without any doubt u will have to work hard just to get in n furthermore passing FCPS which is not easy btw. Can u honestly tell me that u want to come here for a better teaching then go back to Pakistan after earning $60000 per yr in US to $ 20000 per yr in Pak. So Stop Whining n Complaining abt the Tough things in life n work it out
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| unique1
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Dear fakhan , I do not think we leave our countries and come to USA on their invitation 
We come here out of our own choice ......then why whining ????
If we feel things are easier for us in our native countries we are free to go back whenever we want to . American health system has been thriving without us ..... so America does not need us but Pakistan does 
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| new_n_lost
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hey lets not Pin it on Pakistan needing money or America's help so much as to India or any other country needing some Economic Help from Ne where in South East Asia the thing is there r institutes in our home countries where we do get the same education as we get here in US but its as much as difficult to get in there as it is here. The point is that Fakhan is complaining abt rules of Nbme exam structures n entry process of American Medical system which r tough but still we have to be copmpetitive enuf to enter yet I cant understand that y Fakhan is complaining.
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| unique1
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Hey you did not understand me right . I did not say that country A needs money from country B. I just said that our native countries ( does not matter what country it is ) need us and our services more than America. Every country has right ( rather is obliged ) to make rules with THEIR citizens in mind . We make a choice to come here , knowing all these rules .
This forum is like a family and every family member can let their anger or frustration out . All of us get frustrated and angry at times ,due to one reason or another . Fakhan has right to express his views and so do we.....but let us work harder instead of complaining and finding faults with the system here or in our native countries.
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| new_n_lost
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But my point is that y is there frustration on one thing which one has accepted by Choice it wasnt instilled on them to take it My view though I agree with Unique's point of view on finding faults on the system in our home Country n do something abt it . but What happens if an AMG comes here n says that we IMGs r taking the bulk of th eJobs which were rightfully of the AMGs and we have been the ones who r getting better marks every yr that NBME n USMLE have increased the Passing Bar. My Point is that we have chosen this Path on our own n without anyone Forcing us to do so i simply cant comprehend that if i cant get into the System I say the System is Faulty but i shud Rather try to beat the System n then Smirk in their faces n say I BEAT YA ALL !!
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| Medinformatics
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Does anyone get trained for teh interviews? What is the strategy for the interviews?
Any second "year" applicants here?
Thank you for reading.
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