dharjma
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hey everyone!!
first, i would humbly ask you to correct me if im wrong on these:
from what i understand, according to BBB, its clearly a lot more advantageous to enter a residency on a J1 especially if you wanna pursue fellowship in cardiology or something. this is because:
1. its next to impossible(is this true?) to get fellowship (eg cardiology) on H1b after completing residency (eg IM)
2. if u do get a fellowship and graduate from it, it could be potentially more complicated to get sponsored for a greencard thereafter.
this is another confusing part: im a student of the royal college of surgeons in ireland. about every yr or so an ex-student of ours, Graham McMahon (his website at http://www.internationaldoc.com/ ) who graduated in 1997 and did his residency and fellowship in endocrinology in Brigham and womens in boston, gives us a talk on how he got thru the mess that is this application process!  he said he got a H1b the day he went into IM there and that it is highly advantagous, especially over J1. His reasons were given here: http://www.internationaldoc.com/H1b_visa.htm
among his reasons to get a H1b that i have picked out from his websites are:
" 1) they (employers) get to keep you on staff if they like you at the end of residency
2) it's easier to place you in a fellowship on a H- than a J-visa
3) now with no cap for academic institutions and premium processing that takes only a few weeks, there's no delay in starting as there was previously. "
naturally us, a big chunk of FMGs that are strongly considering practising legally as reputable doctors in the USA need some clarification. so anyone here able to shed some light? im sure many of you are just as puzzled as i am.
thanks in advance to anyone who may potentially contribute!
dh
Edited by dharjma on 08/28/05 - 02:43 AM
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| Malaysian
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If you want fellowship then you have better chances on J1.If you want GC then you have better chances with H1.If you go on J1 then after 7yrs. you need to leave US for atleast 2yrs.(I've heard stories that this may be increased to 5 yrs.)whereas if you're on H1 you do not need to do this.
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| dharjma
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yup i understand what youre saying. what is the best way to get fellowship & greencard thereafter then?
i guess im confused cause ive been told by those who have actually done it that fellowship programs are more easily attained by H1b. or maybe these are for exceptional candidates or certain centres? http://www.internationaldoc.com/H1b_visa.htm )
thanks again, dH
Edited by dharjma on 08/28/05 - 07:16 AM
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| bbb
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It's certainly easier to enter fellowships on a J1 visa than an H1b visa, this is very true. If you find an employer who is willing to sponsor your permanent residency when you were on an H1B visa, then the employer now has to fit into the correct category - cap exempt, etc. Makes it really, really hard.
In the past 2-3 years, many of my residents who were on an H1b visa, needed to return home for 8-12 months before the employment paperwork by the government was completed. It's not a fast process.
But my residents who came on J1 visas, found waiver positions much, much quicker and were working within 2 months.
The rules change every year. The best place for visa/immigration information is an attorney who specializes in this.
Good luck!
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| cgr2005
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J1 and H1b visas are both non-immigrant visa classes and holders of these visas are not allowed to be paid from NIH training grants, the normal vehicle that fellowships use to pay their fellows. There is therefore no real advantage or disadvantage between either visa class to the program director. There is however a real benefit to the applicant who can apply for a permanent visa once they get a permanent offer IF they hold a H1b. J1 holders MUST return to their home country for at least two years, or agree to work in an underserved (often underpaid and exploited) position for 5 years.
H1b visas do not take many months unless the applicant is outside the academic medical system and subject to the cap.
I hope that helps.
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| drkpp
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hey cgr what if i am on a j1 and get married to a us citizen? do i still have to undergo the 2 yrs home country requirement!!!
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| cgr2005
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yes, absolutely. Even if you win the visa lottery and win a green card, you cannot take it. You cannot enter the US for work for two years after you leave a J-position.
I have more info at www.internationaldoc.com.
CGR
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| drkpp
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thnx man and thats a great site that u have put together..
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| cgr2005
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thx! CGR
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