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Hi all, I have a question. I m IMG, passed step 1 and 2 ck, both over 95, and taking cs soon. I am confused about the program. Do you need Step 3 for applying fellowship? or is it possible to go for fellowship without residency there in US? And what is better if you plan to live and work there- go first to residency or get the fellowship if u get the opportunity? DO people go for fellowship first and residency afterwards ...? My questions might be funny but I really want to know the answers. Anyone with any idea please do write something.
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| yelenatx
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It is possible to go to fellowship without residency, but you won't be able to practice medicine in the US after fellowship without going to residency. Step 3 is taken for state MD license.
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| chemamr
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but you need to be specialist first (in your country, at least), donīt you??. I mean to apply for a fellowship. F.example: You canīt apply to Cardiothoracic surgery ( fellowship) without doing a residency in general surgery.
Please, clarify me Yelenatx.
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| aryan
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tx to chemamr and yelenatx,
yea, u r right it is necessary to be a specialist first, before trying for a fellowship. I guess I am ok for that, with IM residency here. Anyway, what would u choose if u r offered: residency or fellowship?
do people go for residency after fellowship? I mean is it a common way, or a rare event?
Also about moonlighting? How much is generally earned by a PG2-3 residents by moonlighting? Just any idea>> Pls help!
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| bbb
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Rare!!!
Moonlighting is not allowed on a J visa. And if you are on an H visa, it has to be with your employer named on the visa paperwork.
And you usually need a permanent license, not an educational one.
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| aryan
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thanks BBB
i got most of the answers.
see u guys
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| yelenatx
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chemamr
yes, you need to complete a residency in your country in order to go to US fellowship w/o residency
You wouldn't be able to get a good invasive fellowship as cardiology, GI or Cardiothoracic surgery w/o US residency, because they have plenty applicants with residency to compete for the spot
Only non-competitite fellowships accept people w/o US residency. I personally knew IMGs w/o residency who got fellowships in infectious diseases, rheumatology, and neuropathology.
Moonlighting pays you an average $60 per hour. If you moonlight two 24-hour shifts per month, it would give you close to $3000 extra per month. Since moonlighting agencies don't withhold tax, you would have to pay about 25% of this for tax, so you will get about $2250 a month. Small rural ERs pay less, $50 per hour. High volume ERs may pay $70-100 per hour.
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| aryan
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Hi all, Some specific questions regarding CS, hope I will know more by your experiences than by tutorials!
will there be a kid SP sometimes? Also how often u get SP with real fiindings like murmurs or fundus findings? How many of the 12 SP u really do fundoscopy or otoscopy? How about axillary LN palpations in females-Shall we or shan't we? Any telephone cases? Do u hand wash for each cases? Do u hand shake before washing ur hand or first hand shake, greet and then go for washing? Or u pretend u did alcohol rub on the door just before u enter as it is waht i beleive we all do in real setting before going into the cabins.
will ask more soon
cheers
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| cgr2005
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Just remember that you CANNOT moonlight on a J- or H- visa, so don't count on that income unless you have a green card.
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| drvic
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to aryan,
you may or may not get a telephone case...its usually a pediatric one.. where u speak to the mother and take the history from her, she describes the kid's condition and based on that, you advise....basically you run thru a checklist of symptoms, if u feel there are any significant symptoms, give them advice to bring the child over to the hospital for evaluation.
as for handwashing, there's no pretending...you can do it before you begin physical examination
fundoscopy should be done only when truly indicated - h/o hypertension , diabetes. i don't think there's enough time to consider doing it for EVERY CASE!!
hey what happened about your fellowship vs residency dilemma? i'm asking because i'd been in the same dilemma myself...but the subspeciality i'm interested in doesn't participate in ERAS Fellowship application system yet...and response from various program directors i wrote to was not encouraging...
which place in India are you from? maybe we could discuss things...
all the best
regards
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| clarissacola
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Hi, I'm form italy, I will get my specialisation in cardiology done in one year and then I would try USMLE. Is there a way for me to make the specialization in cardiology recognized? I mean doing USMLE, can I be directly recognized as a cardiologyst and aply directly for a fellowship in interventional cardiology? Or maybe I have to do a residency in general medicine and go on trying to get into cardiology training?
thank you so much for your help
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| clarissacola
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Hi, i'm from italy, I'm having my specialisation in cardiology which will be done in one year,after that I will try USMLE. My question is: can I get the professional qualification with USMLE as a cardiologist and then apply directly for a fellowship in interventional cardiology, or should I go for general medicine residency and start all over again to became a cardiologyst? thank you so much
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| clarissacola
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Hi, i'm from italy, I'm having my specialisation in cardiology which will be done in one year,after that I will try USMLE. My question is: can I get the professional qualification with USMLE as a cardiologist and then apply directly for a fellowship in interventional cardiology, or should I go for general medicine residency and start all over again to became a cardiologyst? thank you so much
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| yelenatx
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You need to do 3 years of internal medicine + 3 years of cardiology, and only after 6 years of training you can apply for interventional cardiology fellowship
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| cgr2005
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If you've completed cardiology fellowship in your home country and are ECFMG certified then you can apply for (the highly competitive) interventional cardiology fellowships without a residency. However, once finished that fellowship you cannot practice in the US without first completing a residency in medicine, and completing a US cardiology fellowship.
See www.internationaldoc.com for more info.
Hope that helps,
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| docvishal
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hi iam img from india. ihave done my residency in ENT . know i wanna apply for fellowship/residency.i have few questions regarding fellowship program
1 how competitive is ENT fellowship in usa and will doing fellowshipgonna help me in getting into ENT residency program
2 what pay you get while doing fellowship
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| cgr2005
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ENT is one of the most competitive fellowships, only about 1% (yes, 1%!) of ENT fellows were IMGs in 2004. Pay during fellowship rises annually, starting at about $48,000 annually and increasing by about $1500 for every year that you work. There are no overtime, weekend, or on-call pay bonuses.
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