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| | 07/02/07 - 11:05 PM
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Fox Terrier? , I love dogs also..., I have 2 labradors and 1 cocker, actually I wanted to be a vet , but found a more interesting animal
Happy for u noxar..., GL
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| bbb
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| | 07/03/07 - 05:21 AM
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Toy fox terriers (only recognized by the AKC in the last 3-4 years) at 9 and 10 pounds. Chihuahua??? Oh please....Molly is a little miffed that her cute little face could be mistaken for a chihuahua. She's about twice their size!
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| spitmetal
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| | 07/03/07 - 08:59 AM
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well pictures really dont say much about size, it could be a close over 
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| GLO MD
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| | 07/03/07 - 03:35 PM
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Good luck noxar!! wow you got a great deal!! jajaja those aren't chihuahuas!! I have a little chihuahua named Citlalmina (we call her mina) and she is very much like bbb's dogs but we think mina is a "chihuahua monster" (she is too big and fat for a chihuahua!!!) jajajaja Oh well... hey spitmetal thanks for your post!!! by the way how early is early? do you think october is good enough? Take care guys always a pleasure to hear from all of you.
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| | 07/03/07 - 03:47 PM
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yeah i have seen big chihuahuas or chihuahua monsters as gloria says LOL
you know gloria i really dont know much about the match i can only repeat what i have been reading for the past year in this forum, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW YOU SUPPOSED TO APPLY IN SEPTEMBER 1ST, IT DOES not MATTER IF YOURE NOT CERTIFICATED, ETC.
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| Mxshrink
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| | 07/03/07 - 11:15 PM
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Came to say hi and good luck to everyone!!. 1st week of intership is the most difficult, so hang in there if you get to feel out of place. Work hard people, and show the compasion that Mexico though us for the patients.!!
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| Karime
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| | 07/04/07 - 09:13 AM
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Thank you guys! Nice reading you Gloria!!!!!!!
Well, I've heard so many things about all this residency business, some of them really drive me crazy because there are so many opinions about the educational system about medicine in USA.
I've been telling some docs about my ideas, dreams, etc.....to become a resident in US
but I don't know why, maybe there's a common idea that "los gringos" haven't a good "clinic eye", That they have all the technology, but can't solve nothing without it. Something like that.........oh God!!
Sometimes I believe it, but I realize that all depends on you, and, no matter what the opinions say, I'm gonna make it. I think it's a wrong idea, and even in US you can find very good teachers!!!!
What you think?
It's nice to know about all of U!!!
Hope your dreams become true!
Grettings!
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| yolanda
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| | 07/04/07 - 10:22 AM
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HI EVERYONE!!!
drgaxmac.....How was your first on call day on July 2nd??, hope you had a great first week of residency, how is fam med looking so far?
You mentioned you applied for CA letter on May (2006?), so by the time to entered residency in July 2007 your CA letter had more than one year, some programs say that you CA letter should be less than one year old when you enter residency, did you have to change it, or a couple of months didn't matter?
Noxar......Love the way you sound, love that you are so happy in your residency!!, I checked out the residency program you are in in the internet and it sounds great, salary is great also comparing it with other programs, congrats and good luck.
By the way did you have any pathology background or publications, etc, when you applied, did you do an observership in pathology or research or something like that??, did you always now that you wanted to become a pathologist?
MTY....WOW.on call on July 4, so today is your fist day on call, keep the shin up, and good luck!!
Stemcell, karla, haven't seen you guys for a while, hope you are studying hard! Stemcell...did you get the genetics LN?
Karime.....I think a couple of pages back, spitmetal also mentioned something like what you are writting regarding the fact that you are going to find many people who will want to discourage you on pursuing your dream of becoming a licensed physcian, there where some really good posts from noxar and others so I suggest you read that.
For what is worth, I can tell you this.....I think people who haven't experienced medicine in the US and are working in Mexico have no evidence and have no experience in the US system and therefor you can't really take their word for it, they have no idea what they are taking about, they have only seen programs like ER or the news to make their opinions.
Seven years ago, when I first started learning about the USMLE process, there wasn't much information back then in my university, so a friend and I went to a program in CA that helped IMG obtain their usmle prep or become nurses or PA, etc, and we found that in that program we met with doctors, specialists like cardiologist, surgens, internal med docs, etc, who had many years practicing medicine, who were 40 and 50 somethings years old, and were still trying to find a way to go to the US.
I asked a neurosurgeon doc that gave me classes about if it was a good idea to try to go to the US, and he told me the following:...If you stay in Mexico, get a GREAT grade in ENARM maybe get into a GREAT hospital in mexico city and do your residency there, at the end of it you will come back to this city, broke, without a job, to start from the bottom up to try to make ends meat, after many many years of working 27/7 you will have enought to make a decent leaving and have your equipment in your office etc......
"If you go to the US, you can even get to a not so good hospital, but at the end, you are going to have either enough money saved so that you can come back and at list start your private practice, or you are going to be able to get loans from a US banks to be able to set up a practice, and have a good paying job"
Oh!, and another thing, I am sure, because I know a few, that there are some great doctors in Mexico, intelligent, kind, compassionate, etc, but I sometimes get so frustrated with doctors that tell you...."mmm well I don't use amoxicillin for ear infections.....and then you ask why?....and they anwere you...mmmm.....well, because I don't like it......or things like.....I saw a doctor prescribe this and that at this dosage for a certain disease that is why I prescribe it!....mmm.....I hate this, I want to practice evidence based medicine, and I want to do it in a place where guidelines mean a thing and even if it sounds "malinchista", which I think it isn't since I am basing my opinions on things that I have heard and seen, but, I think there is a completely other level of medicine that you get to practice in the US, and you don't have to forget the clinical part that you learned in med school in Mexico.
Oh, and another thing....jjjejeje........I have seen fam med residents in mexico during my internship, and I didn't see any "ensenanza" in the hospital, and I have seen the residents of a family med program in the US, and on the first day, they actually saw the patient, made the note, and then talked to their attending about the case, the attending went back with them to re-explore the patient, and signd their prescription, not sure if this is the way many programs work, but at list the one that I saw did, and I also went to grand rounds, and I love the atmosphere, they are all there to learn and support each other, and in mexico I always had the sence that they were out to get you and ridiculize you in any way they could instead of wanting to teach you.
Well, anyway that is my 2 cents on the subject, jjje, I remembered Glomd mentioned that she fell in love with the US system while during her internship, I would love to read why?
Chemamr, lorena, laloblum, generalmalaise, spitmetal, egomez, yareli, Good luck, have great rest of the week!
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| yolanda
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| | 07/04/07 - 10:32 AM
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PS. I don't mean that in mexico you can't practice evidence based medicine, I just feel that it is more difficult to start a practice after residency if you are not from money, and I say this because I have seen people from my generation and they are struggling with this.
And there a lot of things like, being able to buy antibiotics in pharmacies without a prescription, people selling unpasteurized cheese on streets, people selling all kinds of food without the proper sanitation and public health rules etc, I don't like this, I like the system in the US that even restaurants get grading in their doors so that you can see that the public health inspector has revised them.
I like the fact that if there was someone with TB in a certain mall or businees, there is a TV, news, etc, announcement to let you know you might be exposed, etc.
Of course we are going to deal with a lot of other problems, healthcare insurrance, immigration, etc, but I still think that if you want to study in the US, don't listen to people that will bring you down, or that tell you Karime that you can't do it, anything is possible just look at this forum and see all the interns 
Oh!, and another thing, and it is a very important thing, the salary, I mean lets face it, people pay more here for a hair cut than for a medical consult, at list a general medical consult. You can earn 4 or 5 times more that what they pay you in a residency in mexico, and frankly, if I am not going to sleep, be stressed, and be learning, I rather get paid for it than have to struggle with the money they pay you in mexico.
And this way, you can have a good paying job, and not have to find 2 or 3 jobs to be able to make it, and have enough to be able to do volunteer work with the underserved communities, etc. because in the other way you won't have the time to do volunteer work because you have 2 or 3 jobs to be able to cover your bills.
Ok, I wrote to much, ...bye bye and take care everyone!
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| spitmetal
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| | 07/04/07 - 11:40 AM
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yes a lot of people is going to tell you about the bad clinical teaching and their technology dependence, at least you told your doctors, i didn’t, i dont know how they got to know i passed step 1 and they started telling me all that bullshit. i didnt ask for their opinion and they were sharing it with me......
the bad thing was that they actually made me have second thoughts because they actually knew the us system in one way or another.
doctor x: ct surgeon and pulmonary disease specialist claims to have passed both steps with 99/99 and that he was not accepted in any general surgery program, so he "advised" me to stop chasing a dead end dream......
doctor y: studied general surgery at the University of new mexico told me that he have a lot of clinical skills gaps because of his training and that the had a hard time when he returned to chihuahua, because he knew nobody and that anybody was willing to give him a job, that everybody preferred the doctors that were locally trained......... he also told me that he had a hard time to habituate to the lack of everything, that he was trained were he could get any medicine, any lab and that here in mexico thats not a reality not even in the big private hospitals
doctor z: told me that his son was an IM (pgy4) in a mexico city big shot hospital, and he quitted to take the usmle's, that he passed them the first time with "good scores" and that he had not matched in IM 3 times in a row.
doctor a: neurological surgeon that claims to have descent grades both in second attempt, he was the only one that more or less encouraged me but he told me that i will expend a lot of time and MONEY and at the end i may get nothing but a broken heart.
to be honest they actually make me feel really bad , but i was really pissed off because I DIDNT ASK THEM A DAMN THING
there were a lot of more comments but they were from people that dont have an idea of what theyre talking about, they think that mexico is the best and that their hospital is the best and that themselves are the best of the world but they havent set a foot outside chihuahua city.......
but as my father says: people thinks that the things they dont know are not worth, that everybody tends to believe they have done the best and that other people is not as good as them.
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| GLO MD
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| | 07/04/07 - 11:54 AM
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Hello you guys!!! My dear Karime I agree in the most part with Yolanda. See people are going to be jealous of you sometimes (not everyone) and they are going to say a bunch of things to discourage you. The way I see it is this: picking a place for residency is like going to a buffet, you can choose mexican food or barbeque ribs jajaja is your choice...everybody has a different taste, and sometimes they just pick mexican food because they haven't tried the ribs that might turn out to be really good but they rather stick to the familiar stuff. In my generation there are like 4 or 5 people that are trying out the american dream and I have a lot of my best friends wanting to do residency in Mexico, and for me it's just a matter of taste, whatever makes you happy it's the best thing to do.
It's true, many of the physicians or medical students that talk about the US medical system have never been exposed to it and are like parrots repeating words they hear around...because that's what everybody say in Mexico: that US doctors don't do clinics, they only have technology and they don't so science, let me say for a while I believed this too...but after I spent a year inside US medical system Oh my God did I changed my mind for good!!!!
Number 1: I've met the most amazing physicians I have ever met there...they are kind compassionate, even the american physicians spent hours with one patient (the lie that americans are not kind and don't care it's nothing but a huge fat lie!!!)
Number 2.- The fact that they don't do clinics is also a big fat lie!! offcourse they do!!! technology doesn't give you the diagnosis!!! you need a brain commanding everything otherwise you will end up asking for labs that you don't need and will get to no diagnosis!!! plus you need to suspect something to order a lab or an xray right? The only difference is that in the US you actually have all the means to get to a right diagnosis!!! and as Yolanda says people really follows the guidelines which is good because in Mexico if you get in the hands of a really good physician you know that he or she will do the very best for you but what if you get in the hands of oh my lord!!! I don't even want to start on that!! I've seen some people that as in Mexico we say "solo les falta rebuznar" oh my lord!!!
Number 3: Residency in Mexico is hell!!! My boyfriend just started on march and Oh my God I really can't understand how he does it!!! literally he does not sleep, eat...I fill sad and mad with the system when I see him...it's just not fair!!! and the money...well ridiculous... and they just don't care for their residents!!! all they want them is to work all day long..they don't care if they learn or not...they learn because they work so hard but they don't have time or energy to study. In the other hand, I've met a lot of residents in the US and I bet that even the most terrible program that everybody complains about will not even compare to many many of the residecy programs in Mexico, because there are rules that in the most part are actually followed by programs; plus you will get great education and offcourse they will pay you A LOT more!!!
And another thing.....I had to see the big difference when I got back to Mexico for my social service. Oh my lord it was terrible at the beginning....I got all this guidelines in my head, I was studying for the steps so I knew exactly what was indicated in different cases but I could not do much!! I could not order things or give specific medication because patients would not buy it!!! they just don't have the money!! so I ended up doing what most of physicians have to do..settle down for the second best and give the very best you can that is not expensive for the patients. I laughed when some reps came to visit me at my office offering norvas...lipitor...you know all those good but expensive medications and I just laughed and told them...I would love to give this or that for my patients..if it was me I would most deffinitely take it...but I can't, if I give it to my patients they will not take it, will not come back to me and it's worse... That's how I noticed the big difference.....
As I said my dear friends...it's just a matter of taste...but being able to see both sides of the road....well you know which side I picked...but maybe there is people that know both and rather eat in the marketplace than in the fancy restaurant...although I may say that sometimes you need your taco at the marketplace....but if you have to pick between eating all the days of your life in the marketplace or in the restaurant well I know my choice and I think its' a very personal decision for everyone of us.
Another thing I would like to add...is that not everything is crisp in the US. I have never seen phsycians work as hard as those I met in Houston. They worked 24/7!!!! oh my God!!!! some of them were on call everyday!!! so you know is one thing for another. And don't ever think that you will have everything just by doing your residency in the US, because you might not win as much money and some of us might not be able to stay in the US do to immigration issues. So my advice is: don't go for the money, go for what you enjoy the most. For me, being the best that I can in terms of education is the most important issue.... and I believe that I can be better as a physician by doing my residency in the US since I've seen their education and is by far much better then in the most part of mexican programs.
The decision is up to everyone...but don't let anyone discourage you if this is your dream.... everything is possible and if others can why won't you?
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| rosamed
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| | 07/04/07 - 12:17 PM
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Hello
I too am from Guadalajara and graduated from U d G; I passed the Nacional twice, well the first time i got flunked in English which makes no sense I studied in the U>S so I decided to study again for OPthalmology, again and passed , got sent to Siglo XXI but that was not what I liked so renuncie and now I am here in Utah and in August I will start the Center Prep Step 1 & 2 because I want a good score....
And yes there is a lot of good doctors from Guadalajara, so GOOD LUCK let's show everyone Tapatios are smart........
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| | 07/04/07 - 12:24 PM
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Guys I have been reading your replies and just don't ever forget that Mexico and some other called "third worl countries " have better health systems that the U>S they are going through a health crisis, more than 1/2 of the adult population and 2/3 of children do not have any kind of medical insurance so always rememberesd you were lucky to study inMexico because we do clinical medicine; here it's about asking fos labs, studies and then diagnosing from them and that's not how it works......
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| spitmetal
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| | 07/04/07 - 12:41 PM
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excellent posts yolanda and gloria
yes i do hate that doctors here in mexico do things because of their experience and dont care at all about the validated guidelines. but i dont think is the lack of resourses i think is the lack of interest.....
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| noxar311
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| | 07/04/07 - 01:02 PM
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i disagree about that rosa..i dont think the mexican system works any better than the flaw-plagued US health system and I dont think here is ust about ordering labs.....but then i dont think this forum is the right place to discuss that....
i can honestly say that the average AMG has MUCH better clinical skills and a considerably bigger fund of knowledge that the average mexican graduate (notice i didnt say IMG..cos the IMG's around here are some sort of ultrafiltered selection,lol).....come on ppl!..dont you remember the dozen guys in your class that just did not have an idea what they were talking about all 6-7 years long?....
spit..ill have to agree with Dr Y....i dont think it would be a great idea to get trained here hoping to retunr to mexico....things in mexico work just different and ull have a nightmare either 1)trying to convince ppl to do it your way or 2) trying to adapt back to mexico.....and of course the connections and all that.......
yes yolanda, i always wanted to be a pathologist.....i did my social service in research, in mexico city (incan) and published some papers, mostly in surgical field...but they worked well in my application, since my InCan tutor was a pathologist.....when i took the ENARM, i idid it for surgery though..i do not like the way pathologist practice in mexico and the lifestlye they have (or lack of lifestyle, for that matter)...i believe that the medical job market in mexico is made almost only for the srgical/interventionist field.....the good thing was that I flunked the enarm and then I started to become interesting in the usmle...and the rest just happened....
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| rosamed
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| | 07/04/07 - 02:20 PM
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noxar311
I believe you got my words the wrong way.....
I am actually an american citizen and no doubt i agree that AMG are very prepared nobody is doubting that and don't take it personal the health issue was just a comment and a lot health researchers agree changes need to be made but anyway like you said that is not the issue here......
Good luck with your residency ..........
And just some advise don't talk so badly about mexico you sound a bit malenchista and just so you know there are alot of wealthy people from mexico and fromall over the world living in Mexico and they get a long just fine......
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| Mxshrink
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| | 07/04/07 - 03:24 PM
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I've been reading your posts about no clinical experience here. I was amazed by what the med students know here, Not me or any of my classmates in UDEM knew as much medicine as the 4th year student knows in a university here, and yes, they do ask for a lot of lab work and images, but not to diagnose, but to confirm what they already know and not send a patient to the OR for apendicitis just to find out it was a biliary stone (as I saw a few times during my internado in Monterrey). Dont get fooled by people who have no idea about what they are talking about, and by the way, guide them selfs from all the research thats done here in the US.
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| yolanda
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| | 07/04/07 - 04:42 PM
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I completely agree with Noxar, Gloria, spit and Mxshrink!!!
And by the way I don't think Noxar sounds malinchista, I think he is just telling it like it is, maybe It is not the same how you look at the medical field/system in mexico being recently out of school, and not working in the country. I have practiced medicine for 7 years in mexico and things are not pretty, they are like noxar puts it, unless you are wealthy like rosa says jjajjjja, yes I also think that wealthy people can get a long just fine in mexico and anywhere else rosa jjajjjaja.
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| spitmetal
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| | 07/04/07 - 06:58 PM
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noxar311 wrote:
spit..ill have to agree with Dr Y....i dont think it would be a great idea to get trained here hoping to retunr to mexico....things in mexico work just different and ull have a nightmare either 1)trying to convince ppl to do it your way or 2) trying to adapt back to mexico.....and of course the connections and all that.......
that is harsh to read  , is not that i dont want to live in the USA, but you know the visa issues, and you know it may sound like a cliche but i have always dreamt up about helping the poor people i get to see everyday in the streets....maybe im just very young and i cant figure out how the true world works......
but im for sure not appealed to the workaholic rhythm of physicians in the USA
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| yolanda
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| | 07/04/07 - 07:13 PM
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Hi Spit, don't feel discouraged about this, I am sure that in many specialties like surgery for example, where you have to depend on being in a hospital it can be true what Noxar says, but I think it depends on the specialty and maybe even in the state you are.
For example, here in the border, jjejje, I know for a fact that patients (specially higher socioeconomic status patients) look at the physicians credentials, and if they see you studied in the US they immediately suppose that you are better trainned or that you have some kind of an advantages, a very famous cardiologist here and all the top surgeons and cardiologist of a very respected hospital here have all doctors who studies in the US, so I think it depends on how you see it.
For me for example, if I choose family medicine, and if I have to come back to mexico, I would end up the same as I am today, maybe I would have enough saved to put a medical office, and ofcourse I will be better trainned and experienced, but it would be the exact same jobs offered to me, long night shifts that pay $250 pesos for 8 hours, or earning $10 000 a month in an nongobernmental health center, etc, BUT
If I choose OBGYN, and come back, then it will be different, and since I know people already from around the area because like I mentioned before I have worked for 7 years now, radiologist, labs, other physicians, even just friends from med school who have done same specialty or other specialties, I don't think I am going to have a hard time incorporating back to the medical work force in mexico.
And besides, if you are good, patients will recognize this and follow you no matter where you trainned!!
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| yolanda
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| | 07/04/07 - 07:16 PM
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Oh and I forgot to mention also, about the other doctors who told you that they had good grades and didn't match..........well, you know the answer for that............it is not only good grades, it is the whole package, how you do in the interviews, US lors, USCE, etc, so maybe they didn't have the whole package that doesn't mean you can't try and that doesn't mean you won't have the whole package, we have great examples here in lorena, laloblum, chemamr, yareli, noxar, mty, drgaxmac, all doing residency in the US!!
Good luck!!!
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| spitmetal
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| | 07/04/07 - 08:35 PM
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yes yolanda i think exactly the same
thanks
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| GLO MD
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| | 07/05/07 - 11:07 AM
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Hey people! I completely agree with Mxshrink!!! I don't believe that idea that Mexicans know much more clinics then americans but what I am sure about is that there are a whole lot of people graduating from Mexican medical school that SHOULD HAVE NOT!!! in a million years graduated. I can honestly say that 60-70% of the people that graduated with me would not pass the USMLE's even if they were in spanish....and I can honestly say that very few of us have the preparation that medical school graduates in the US have.... so don't ever try to convince yourself that we have better clinics and all those things...because that is just a lame excuse for our lack of knowledge in many of us.... And I don't think is about being "malinchista", but seriously seriously many of my classmates would've not graduated if they have been in a medical system as in the US...I'm very sure of that. And I can also say that from my 40 people class of graduating people in medical school I would only trust in 5....that bad it is.....and my school is one of the good ones...I have seen people from other places that I don't want to mention because I might hurt somebody....but Oh my God!!!! I haven't met people so st..... and having a complete lack of medical knowledge that I wonder to myself...how in the world did they went through medical school!!! It's a disgrace for medicine..... and I would die if I were in their hands!!!!
I bet there are some medical students in the US that are not as good....but having to pass the USMLE's for graduation is a HUGE filter!!! and we all know that!!! and most of the med students that I have met from US are competent as hell!!!
So as I said before....staying in Mexico or going to another country (like in this case the US) is a matter of taste (and many times of brain matter too!!!) and we should not say that this or that is better but I don't agree with saying that Us physicians have no clinics and just order things randomly to get to the diagnosis because that only tells that the person that says that has no real knowledge of what is saying and that has not been exposed to US system or study of the USMLE's because you will see there that in no way!!! you order things randomly!!!! if you do think that you will flunk step2ck big time!!! As I said before...behind every lab or xray there is a brain mastering the whole circus...and you order certain things because you are thinking of a certain diagnosis... that's all I have to say..... and is not malinchista...I love my country more than anything but I don't like the way that most part of the residencies and medical system runs...if I come back to Mexico I would like to have a private practice that's for sure. Take care all of you guys and let's just forget this subject...anyways there is a reason that we are in this forum...and it's precisely that we are not the best of fans of our system....
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| Karime
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| | 07/05/07 - 03:10 PM
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Wow Guys!
Double Wow!!
I never expected that my last post caused a lot of commotion here!
That's great in some way jejejeje!
You know, Deep deep inside of me I always feel, and always thougth like you,
but if there's a thing I hate about myself is: I need the people "repeat" me
I'm doing the right way you know !!! I think It's a........I'd say lack of confidence maybe......But I still believe once you get some goal (In this case, passing Step1 for example, or getting some views in the US health system) you start strongly believe and without doubt you can do everything you like and want !!!
And right now I find this forum like a very..... indeed very very supporting team!
Thank you for your posts Yolanda, Gloria, Spit, Mxshrink, Noxar, Rosa, and everyone in this forum.
Keep in touch! See you!
Edited by KARIME on 11/15/07 - 04:52 PM
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| chemamr
Forum Hero
Topics: 703
Posts: 4,462
| | 07/05/07 - 06:21 PM
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hi guys!
lots of topics regarding one subject, about medicine in Mexico, malinchismo or not, there are excellent docs in Mexico or in the USA (the same applies for bad ones), etc, etc, etc. I think that's more than enough, so I won't add anything about it.
keep posting...
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