mjl1717 Forum Hero

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| | 08/22/04 - 10:14 PM  
 
   
 
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Whats the difference between Primary Biliary Cirrhosis and Primary Sclerosing Cholangitis? ( also what might the labs be?)
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| carmenburana Forum Newbie
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| | 08/23/04 - 09:25 AM  
 
   
 
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PBC autoimmune progressive inflam and fibrosis ois and eventuf intrahepatic bile ducts leading to hepatitally cirrhosis. Asoc with other AI diseases and mostly women over 35. Osteoporosis. very elevated AP, gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase Less elevated bilirubin(even normal) and aminotransferases elev. cholesterol *anti-mitochondrial antibodies* vs inner memb of mitoch, also but less often this can be found in pt with chronic active hep. High IgM's in general. According to Merck, PBS is one of the best indications for transplant, with excellent results. PSC Intra and Extra-hepatic bile ducts are involved, prog inflam and fibrosis Maybe AI, mostly young men and asoc with Ulcerative colitis. High AP, less high aminotransferases, sometimes high bilirubin. Liver transplant is the only cure here, too. How's that?
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| carmenburana Forum Newbie
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| | 08/23/04 - 09:27 AM  
 
   
 
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Sorry, there were some typos in that last one! PBC autoimmune progressive inflam and fibrosis of intrahepatic bile ducts and eventually leading to cirrhosis. Asoc with other AI diseases and mostly women over 35. Osteoporosis. very elevated AP, gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase Less elevated bilirubin(even normal) and aminotransferases elev. cholesterol *anti-mitochondrial antibodies* vs inner memb of mitoch, also but less often this can be found in pt with chronic active hep. High IgM's in general. According to Merck, PBS is one of the best indications for transplant, with excellent results. PSC Intra and Extra-hepatic bile ducts are involved, prog inflam and fibrosis Maybe AI, mostly young men and asoc with Ulcerative colitis. High AP, less high aminotransferases, sometimes high bilirubin. Liver transplant is the only cure here, too. How's that?
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| mjl1717 Forum Hero

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| | 08/23/04 - 02:23 PM  
 
   
 
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It is also said that PSC can eventuate into biliary cirrhosis. I would have thought vice versa since a football superstar died of PSC. Also ERCP is the gold standard for dxing PSC. Also see the words fibrosis and stricture for PSC but granulomatous destruction is used for PBC. Often only the alk phos is used for dx, along with AMA and liver bx for PBC. :shock:
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| mjl1717 Forum Hero

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| | 08/23/04 - 02:46 PM  
 
   
 
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It is also said that PSC can eventuate into biliary cirrhosis. I would have thought vice versa since a football superstar died of PSC. Also ERCP is the gold standard for dxing PSC. Also see the words fibrosis and stricture for PSC but granulomatous destruction is used for PBC. Often only the alk phos is used for dx, along with AMA and liver bx for PBC. :shock:
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