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test to get a finale score of 90+ on the real test?
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| retroviridae
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I would say mid-70s to 80s is the minimum to get a 90+.
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| bluestar
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thank you. I only got 71. Do you know about the image quality in the real test? Would it be colored pictures? Many of the images in the simulated test is beyond recognition.
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My scores ranged from 70-82 depending. Don't know my score yet, other than I passed. I think the NBME test is better for giving you an idea of how you will do next to a standardized score.
As for the images, I have to say the quality of all was good. Clear pictures and in color. But I felt some of the images needed to be zoomed in for a better understanding of what was going on. As someone else has pointed out in the past, try reading the questions first. Often, the picture is not neccessary to answer the question, and if it is, after reading the vignette, it is obvious what you are looking for/at.
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| bluestar
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You've passed step1? Congrats! Mine is next week. I also did NMBE, but the bad thing is we won't know which question we did wrong. Also I'd like to ask you about the correlation of the NMBE score with the real test. :roll:
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I am cutting and pasting here from elsewhere in the forum. I was looking for a briefer version Nuprin came up with, but I couldn't find it. Anyway, Nuprin will disagree with me, but I feel this is top heavy, i.e. it is running a little high for the score correlations, but maybe I am wrong. Anyway, it does seem to roughly correlate with the scores people finally get. That's why I like it as a useful test. I didn't take the NBME until AFTER my test (I ran out of time in my study schedule, and had already purchased it). I would recomend taking it before hand. If I had known what my score was earlier, I think I would have been less nervous for the test.
Right from Ahdy's daily diary
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| bluestar
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Thank you very much! I just bought one set of NMBE since I don't think I'd have time to finish them all. Would one set do the job to give me a good idea of how well I am doing? Now I am like an ant on a hot pot, don't know what to study for the last week. :cry:
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I think one test is enough to give you an idea. If you are getting a 71% on Kaplan, you should do fine on the real test. I got a 570. Give the NBME a shot and see how you do. I felt the NBME was easier than the USMLE, but Nuprin (who did better on the NBME than I did with a 590) thought it was harder than the USMLE. Don't know what to make of that. Best of luck. 5 days before the exam I was a total wreck. I didn't even look at this forum until around that point. First time I had heard of the NBME practice tests. Take the test and you will see that you are doing quite well. I think it will help to ease your natural anxiety. And try to sleep! I couldn't sleep well at all the last week.
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sorry if I'm reading this wrong, guys, but I think those are correlations for just 2 digit and 3 digit score on the USMLE itself, not the Kaplan % to final USMLE score...
anyway, I didn't look carefully, so sorry if I'm sticking my nose in for nothing!
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| retroviridae
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not correlations for Kaplan, but for NBME
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| nuprin
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yeah, you knew i'd disagree with you.  check the guy who just posted with a 99 and a 73% kaplan simulated. it seems to make 90+ you just need to get higher than 60-65% on kaplan simulated (as per the experiences i've read and from the people at my school).
to find out for yourself, check out the exam experiences here and, much as i hate to recommend that site, studentdoctornetwork forums (in the official results thread). there isn't quite as much correlation btw the simulated and the usmle, but the one with nbme seems to be VERY accurate (acc. to those people).
as for the nbme, i'm starting to rethink that it was THAT much harder than the real thing. i guess hindsight is distorted, anyway, but i did start it at 1am and i did it PRE finishing goljan (i think i had just finished day 2). i have no idea. i guess we'll see for ourselves when we get our results back. this wait is agonizing! i can't believe it STILL didn't come today! it's only coming from philly!!!
as for image quality, i thought it sucked on the nbme and was just fine on the usmle. as mentioned, almost all answers can be gained from the question stem.
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| retroviridae
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I know, how long do I have to wait for this stupid score report!!!! It is just too much tension .... I eagerly checked the mail today and ... nada. Mai bpen rai, oh well, I guess I will have to wait till Monday evening.
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"nuprin" wrote:yeah, you knew i'd disagree with you. check the guy who just posted with a 99 and a 73% kaplan simulated. it seems to make 90+ you just need to get higher than 60-65% on kaplan simulated (as per the experiences i've read and from the people at my school). as for image quality, i thought it sucked on the nbme and was just fine on the usmle. as mentioned, almost all answers can be gained from the question stem.
Thank you, retroviridae!
Thank you, nuprin! Now I feel a bit relieved. Knowing that I couldn't make it to 90s made me insomnia last night. :oops: Also, I'd like to thank you for recommending Goljan from a previous post. I got his audio just two weeks ago and now I am half through it. It's hard to measure how much I learn from him. I just hope I could get it earlier. But still it's not too late since I got it before the exam. I think his general pathology has more HY that the system pathology. what do you think? Also as of the images, I was just about to ask what do we need to review for the exam. As of pathology, do we need to at least go over "webpath"? Would we be asked to recognize a structure on the gross/LM/EM/radiology with little patient history? I mean the histology/neuroanatomy stuff. Is cross section/angiogram HY? Thank you very much.
Last thing is, did you guys figure out every questions on the NMBE? Doing question itself is not hard, but I'm just tired of reviewing them afterwards.
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You know, unless my memory is getting hazy, I don't believe there were many microscopic path questions at all. And not many gross either. I just flipped through my Robbin's while studying and looked at the photomicrographs in there. But I have to say, at least for my test, it was low yield. Whenever there is a picture like that, read the question and the answer options and it will all become clear. There were some cross sectional stuff, but again, not many.
I took the NBME the night after my exam because I was so sure I failed. So I didn't go back and try to correct any questions I missed. But I think it would be a good thing to do.
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since I don't have Robbin's I think I'll just go over the pictures in the FA. Just that when I listened to Goljan's audio, he mentioned a lot of pictures showed on the exam which I have no way to image and thus made me nervous. How about the EM pictures of histology?
Thank you very much!
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There were one or two EMs, but I can't really remember of what. Again, it should be obvious what it is. Read the questions and you should be fine....
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agree with retroviridae. had one em that i couldn't figure out from the question stem but in retrospect it should have been SO obvious. dumb of me. oh well. that was just ONE question. really hardly any histo at all, and what i got coulda been learned from qbank. i do regret not flipping through robbins text, too, since i saw a bunch of relevant pics afterwards, so if you've got a friend with robbins, ask to borrow it. as for the stuff goljan audio mentions, don't worry about it. as said before, MOST questions you will know the answer to without looking at the picture. i didn't have the time to go through all of webpath and that was totally okay.
oh, and if you don't have the time or energy to go through nbme, don't sweat it. i'd say first aid revision, and finishing goljan and qbank are more important.
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OK, I feel better now. Thank you guys so much! Wish you a best test result!
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NBME 300 350 400 450 500 550 600 650
3-dig. 172 181 193 204 215 226 236 247
2-dig...70...74...79...84...88...93...97...99
is this what you were looking for, retroviridae?
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| retroviridae
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That is the one Nuprin. OK everyone, disregard all my pesimism from before today. Nuprin has been pushing this correlation all along, and she is so totally right!
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